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England Moves Toward Ban on Official Prayers, Opposed by a 'Small Fringe' on the 'Far Right'

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The Washington Post has a funny headline from England on its front page Friday. "Public prayer stirs culture war in Britain." Notice that secular liberals like the Posties always blame the "culture war" on the religious, not on the secularizers. The more accurate headline is "Public prayer ban stirs culture war in Britain." In Bideford, reporter Anthony Faiola writes, a town council stocked with "a practicing pagan, a staunch atheist, and an agnostic former stripper" wants to scrap the council's opening prayer.

Faiola's story properly notes the move to "ban public prayers in tiny Bideford" erupted into a national controversy. But a few paragraphs later, Faiola breaks out the labels for whatever boomlet of conservative Christians might lobby prime minister David Cameron on this subject. Unlike America, there is only a "small fringe" on the "far right" that supports Christianity and opposes abortion:  

The parameters of discussion in Britain remain sharply different from those in the United States. Though a small fringe here still argues against legal abortion and publicly funded contraception, such issues were considered settled even by many Conservatives long ago. And Prime Minister David Cameron, though not without pushback from his far right, has gone further than President Obama by openly backing same-sex marriage, arguing that equal rights are a fundamental facet of Christian values. 

But Christians here maintain that their traditions are under assault, citing, for example, allegations that liberal city officials have discriminated against devout Christian parents in adoption cases. They see the potential ban on public prayer as the last straw. 

That's a very strange claim, that Christians merely "maintain that their traditions are under assault" when prayer bans are proposed, as if there is any factual doubt. Faiola never makes any mention of religious facts like the rise of Islam in Great Britain. Overall, the story is balanced between public-prayer supporters (including Cameron and a hinting Queen Elizabeth) and opponents, but the Post's assumption is public religiosity is going the way of the dodo and it's a political loser. That's where American comparisons pop up:

It is extraordinary to me to see a modern British government promoting religion,” said Terry Sanderson, president of the National Secular Society. “It’s an indication that the Conservatives are flying a kite to see whether the tactics of the American Republicans might fly here. I have a strong suspicion they won’t. Britain is not America, and in trying to establish a religious right, Cameron will find himself shot in the foot.” 


#1 Hey, Washington Post, it's a

Hey, Washington Post, it's a country that still has an established church. How is it somehow out of sorts, then, for local government councils to offer an opening prayer given that fact? Honestly.


#2 Point, set, match! I guess

Point, set, match!
I guess it's OK to have a national religion, as long as you don't flaunt it.
The Washington Post, considering this and it's hilariously-named "On Faith" feature, is now impossible to parody.

#3 I would love to see the Queen

I would love to see the Queen make a special unannounced visit to this pathetic city council.

'One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church'

#4 Britain's sad decay

It's a tragedy to see the old whore slide down the chute into the offal. The blind antiChristian bigots are so historically illiterate they've forgotten their own past where witches like the current lot abounded from whom Christian evangelization saved them and made them a great nation, and now the blind fools want to sink back down into the barbarism from which they arose. We should cut off every last penny of aid and make them realize that there's no sane reason for us to aid their national suicide, though it's sadly clear that our own isn't far behind if God doesn't intervene. See "The gay invention" at for what a bogus propaganda fraud the "homosex-"/"gay tour de force nonsense really is, like evolution, divorce and abortion, deranged antiChristian bigotry by devil's whores out to destroy us and insanely happy to go down themselves, like Muslim terrorists but foolishly imagining themselves more enlightened when they're actually no different, serving the same false god of fools and tyrants. God save us!

#5 Good morning russ

The saddest part is we are sliding down the same chute right next ot her.


Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

#6 And we're next in line...

...right in front of you.

#7 With God's help, we must do

With God's help, we must do everything in our power to make sure that does not happen.

Never, ever give up.

God Bless.

'One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church'

#8 " we must do everything in our power"

That is a true statement, Soldat.  I hope you mean it.

It's a shame that Christianity has to go through this crap every 300 or 400 years, in a serious way.  All the little flare ups in between can usually be tamped down in a relatively peaceful manner, but the big ones usually get messy.

It will require "everything in our power," power being the operative word.

Comrade Bubba

#9 England

I think God may just about be ready to anger, I know he is slow to anger, but how much longer Oh Lord?


#10 We've been warned

Hebrews 10:31 - It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Deuteronomy 32:35 - To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

Me - "The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years - the cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil."

#11 Women and gays in England and the USA, ...

... don't like Christianity?

Wonder how they're going to like Islam?

Be careful what you wish for.  Unintended consequences can be a real bitch.

Comrade Bubba

#12 shooting themselves in foot here

all this banning religious stuff is stupid.
these things they keep fighting against (here in America) are the very thing that allow them to fight.
people fail to realize how freedom of religion has helped everyone, even those who do not believe in religion.

#13 How long...

Before England (and Wales) is taken over by Islam and they set up an Islamic State complete with Sharia Law?

Will Scotland go along? And Northern Ireland? Or will the Kingdom finally break up and disintegrate?


Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it! 

#14 I'm pretty sure the Scots won't go along.

They would still love the chance to break with the English!

Besides, too many men wear "skirts," and drink way too much for Islam to tolerate.

Do you think that the Moooooooooslems will ban curling?   Or golf?!?!?!?!?!

Comrade Bubba

#15 And how will Muzzie public "prayers" be handled?

You know those wonderful Islamic prayers, done in public as a show of force, calling on allah (a so-called god in name only, a GINO) to exterminate Jews and Christians.

Can you believe it, that's their prayer.

#16 But Im sure Islam and facing Mecca 6x daily will still be ok!

The UK wil finally be taken over, by the Muslims-would THAT appease the loony left?

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. BEN FRANKLIN

#17 What?!

God save the Queen, no more?

To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.

#18 BTW, they're only banning one flavor of prayer.

That other one, the one that is blasted out over loudspeakers into the streets FIVE times daily, is exempted as usual.

#19 ⇒ But it helps

But it helps keep the pigeons away.

#20 SoL, I've heard it, more than 50 times is that enough?

Whatever song you don't ever want to hear off top 40....square that.

Best music he ever heard, while riding Trananny  

Waiting for the bus to  Dunia Fantasi

#21 OMG, UCW!


ps- sweet, BK

#22 I knew that was BK's work

(by the link). That Marine is an evil genius (highest compliment from a Gator fan, refers to Steve Spurrier).

#23 Now you know why he thinks Disney is a cheap copy...

Ohh you ain't lived til you took the "it's a small world after all" ride... There you learn Hawaii is really in Asia...

#24 prayer

if you separate religion from the public view then ban all religious prayer including Islam if not leave us "religious people " alone.


#25 Europe is actually less

Europe is actually less liberal about these things in many ways. Abortion laws are more restrictive; you're prevented against having an abortion at an earlier stage in the pregnancy than in the US, and for instance, in Sweden, in order to have a later term abortion you're required to get an evaluation from the National Board of Health and Welfare. In many European countries, you pay a "church tax", which goes from the state to the church in order to pay for things like burial. There are official relationships between the church and state, and "Christian Democrat" parties. Social issues are generally also not considered areas of judicial responsibility.

If anyone is wondering why social issues are more of a part of US politics than European politics, its because of that.

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