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Bill O'Reilly Takes On Chris Matthews for Calling GOP 'Grand Wizard Crowd' and Romney 'Flat-Earther'

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NewsBusters reported Monday that MSNBC's Chris Matthews got into a heated exchange with former Republican Party chairman Michael Steele when he called the GOP the "Grand Wizard crowd" and Mitt Romney a "flat-earther."

Fox News's Bill O'Reilly started his program Tuesday by saying the Hardball host's comments were "simply madness" (video follows with transcript and commentary):

BILL O'REILLY, FOX NEWS: More madness in the presidential campaign: That is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points" memo.

Now we knew the campaign was going to be bitter. With muck-raking all over the place, we knew that. But we didn't know it was going to be downright hysterical this early.

Last night, former Republican Party Chair Michael Steele was interviewed by Chris Matthews. Governor Romney, the topic.


MATTHEWS, : He ran as a (inaudible) -- you know you're saying there is no such thing as science but I'm teaching biology.

MICHAEL STEELE, FORMER CHAIRMAN, RNC: But that's not what he said. Why are you putting those words in his mouth? He's never said he is a flat earth and he doesn't believe in evolution. Those are your words, Chris. That's how you would like to paint him to be.

MATTHEWS: Because that's who he is.

STEELE: That's not who he is.

MATTHEWS: You are the Grand Wizard crowd over there. Anyway look --


STEELE: Wait, wait. I resent that. Now come on what is this Grand Wizard nonsense.

MATTHEWS: I'm just saying the far-right party. All right.

STEELE: Are you saying that the Ku Klux Klan -- give me a break. We didn't -- don't go there with me on that.

MATTHEWS: Ok, ok. Great.


O'REILLY: Now later in that broadcast Matthews has apologized for using the description Grand Wizard. I have no beef against Chris Matthews he doesn't usually attack people personally; he's simply a committed Democrat. Nothing wrong with that.

But to call Romney a flat earther and to say the Governor doesn't believe in science is simply madness. In a 2007 "New York Times" article Romney said quote, "I believe that God designed the universe and created the universe. And I believe evolution is most likely the process he used to create the human body", unquote. So there it is; for honest folks, end of discussion.

The problem for American voters is that anything goes these days. The Internet is full of unbelievable nonsense as well as gross defamation. And now on some national news programs we are getting the same craziness. So if you're uninformed, how can you possibly know what's true and what's not true?

Unfortunately, most people can't, and this is really the problem with media bias today.

The vast majority of Americans take what folks like Matthews say as the literal truth without doing the slightest research to verify accuracy.

This allows people like him to say whatever they want with total impunity adding to the propagandizing of the population.

It's especially problematic on networks like ABC, CBS, MSNBC, NBC, NPR, and PBS where a conservative is rarely included in the discussion to add any balance or challenge falsehoods being broadcast.

If Steele hadn't been present Monday, Matthews would have gotten away with calling Republicans the "Grand Wizard crowd" and Romney a "flat-earther."

Just imagine how many times someone like Steele isn't present in any given 24 hours to stop an anchor or guest from lying to the public without rebuttal.

Makes it easy to understand why so many folks think cutting taxes hurts the economy and carbon dioxide is destroying the planet.

Pretty darned scary when you think about it.


#1 O'Reilly stopped short

O'reilly stopped short of naming Chris Matthews as athe racist he is.

"Grand Wizard" was an attempt to divert attention from the workings of his own Democrat party.

#2 They obviously

have no shame over at MSNBC

A Recession is when your neighbor is out of a job. A Depression is when YOU are out of a job.. A recovery is when OBAMA is out of a job Hat tip to Ronald Reagan

#3 While I applaud O'Reilly's Talking Point Memo,...

...he must not watch Matthews for him to state, "I have no beef against Chris Matthews he doesn't usually attack people personally; he's simply a committed Democrat. Nothing wrong with that." - Matthews lives to attack anyone right of him and that's half the nation.

#4 Exactly!

Anyone who has listened to Hardball or reads NB regularly knows that hardly an episode goes by without Matthews branding some conservative as a nut-job, extremist, flat earther, criminal, Neanderthal, dangerous, etc. This Grand Wizard thing is totally out of hand, and Michael Steele effectively threw it back in his face.

Matthews rarely engages what little brains he has with his mouth.

#5 Chris Matthews

doesnt usually attack people personally? Since when, Bill? Are we talking about the MSNBC Matthews? THAT Matthews?

If you're not getting flak, you're not over the target.

#6 Flat Earth

They sure like to use those words to ridicule people who do not believe in their ridiculous religion.
what they fail to understand ,one need intelligence for that, is why was that Theory proven wrong? Because of " SKEPTICS" .

w robichaud

#7 Yep

Back in the '70s, when Paul Ehrlich and others declared that human activity was accelerating the Earth into another Ice Age, skeptics were called flat earthers (and worse).

Now as many of those same so-called scientists profess that human activity is accelerating global warming, skeptics are called flat earthers.

"Trust the science!" they shout. But their advocacy has more of the trappings of a religious faith than science, for they refuse to consider contradictory evidence.

#8 I want to see Obama lose

So Chris can lose that tingling sensation up and down his leg.Another lib with no integrity and no academic thought process. Just throw the dirt against the wall and hopefully something will stick

One Nation Under GOD and very proud of it

#9 Missing the point

Lost in all of this is the way Matthews tried to portray anyone that believes in Creation must be a lunatic and that Steele went DEFENSIVE about it.

Romney's statement that O'Reilly mentioned was basically trying to have it both ways. He believes that God created but, that God basically used evolution to do it?

Talk about "simply madness"!!

The fact that Steele, Matthews and O'Reilly along with Romney believe in "science" over Bible based evidence to the contrary is the most troubling aspect in all of this.

The feigned outrage over Matthews' "flat earth" remark was eclipsed easily by the remarks by O'Reilly and Steele who came to Romney's defense.

As a Bible believing Christian who makes no compromises I see the devil has succeeded in taking this country down the Broad Path in part by dismissing the Genesis account of God Almighty creating the heavens and the earth along with man. Now it's official, anyone believing in this is nuts but.......calling us "flat earthers" is frowned upon?

Make no mistake, this nation is being judged. We take God out of the schools and now we have a country that embraces evolution which, nobody can explain where life itself originated from. It's demonic deception. It's twisted satanic logic and it's now embraced by the people we'd have run our country.

If......IF...I vote for Romney I will have to hold my nose. I'm given a choice between him and Obama? Am I the only nauseated by all of this?

O'Reilly, typically the scoffer, chuckles at the prospect of a God that created everything in 7 days. Yet, he believes apes are part of the family?

Steele waves his hands frantically and wants to quickly shut down any doubts that Romney might believe in a God who created everything in 7 days.

It's official, we are done in America. The water is coming over the dam and there is no stopping it. God is not mocked and He will allow us to choose our own fate. How sad and telling it is that we blindly sign on the dotted line that gives Him permission to destroy this once great country.

#10 When someone such as Chris Matthews spews outrageous garbage,

it's expected. What I don't expect, and what I find extremely and intensely frustrating is when the host of the number one rated show on Fox News, the O'Reilly Factor, states this type of nonsense on national television:

"I have no beef against Chris Matthews he doesn't usually attack people personally"

This follows another asinine and clueless comment by O'Reilly on Monday when he stated on the number one rated show on Fox News:

"I thought Barack Obama ran a very worthy campaign in 2008. He didn't get into the racial stuff at all, wanted to stay away from it."

It is difficult to believe that with that constant uninformed banality, Bill O'Reilly has been the host of the number one program in cable news for more than a decade.

As a avid watcher of Fox News, I ask: Is this the best we can do?


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