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Trump: Families of Iraq War Dead 'Should Be Given a Couple of Million Dollars Apiece From Iraqi Oil'

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Donald Trump on Wednesday upped the ante to his April call for America to stay in Iraq and take the oil as compensation for our efforts.

Speaking with Greta Van Susteren on Fox News's "On the Record," the real estate tycoon said, "We’ve lost tremendous numbers of great, young, beautiful soldiers. Those families should be given a couple of million dollars apiece from the Iraqi oil" (video follows with transcript and commentary):

DONALD TRUMP: We have to rebuild our country. We have to stop rebuilding Iraq, which the day we leave, Iran is going to take over because we're not smart enough to figure out what to do. And I've said it from the beginning. In Iraq, they have the largest oil fields in the world except for Saudi Arabia, OK? We should reimburse ourselves. We should take it!

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: VAN SUSTEREN: Why didn't we?

TRUMP: Because we don't have intelligent leadership. It's very simple.

VAN SUSTEREN: But we've had -- we had President Bush, who was Republican. We have President Obama, who's a Democrat. Nobody's suggested that we -- you know, we get reimbursed.

TRUMP: You know, it's sort of interesting. When we first went into Iraq, smart people said, Oh, it's for the oil. It's for the oil. It wasn't for the oil. It's amazing. It wasn't for the oil.
The fact is, they have the second largest oil reserves in the world, and these people are going to make a fortune! And you know who's going to make it? Iran, because we've totally knocked out their armies, the Iraqi armies, totally just wiped them out. So there's no more army. So Iran, after hundreds of years of going back and forth, fighting back and forth, equal nations -- they're going to walk in the day we leave, they take over the oil reserves. And I hope you play this back in two years or three years because I will tell you, I never hear it from anyone else.

We should go in and we should, hey, to the victor go the spoils. We should go in and at a minimum, at an absolute minimum, reimburse ourselves with Iraqi oil. Now, the other thing, we’ve lost tremendous numbers of great, young, beautiful soldiers. Those families should be given a couple of million dollars apiece from the Iraqi oil. The people that are wounded, and I see them all over the streets of New York, I see them all over, those soldiers, those brave soldiers that are missing a leg, an arm, or worse, they should be given a million, two million, three million dollars. And you know what that is relative to the value of that tremendous reserve that you have in Iraq? It’s nothing. It’s nothing. We fight a war. We spend $1.3 trillion we get nothing. What do we get out of it?

VAN SUSTEREN: Is anyone, I mean, where is this oil now? I mean, I don't see a lot of money flowing into Iraq from their own oil.

TRUMP: Because they don't know how to take it themselves. I mean, they don't even know how to take it themselves. Look, the minute we leave, that whole thing's going to fall apart.

VAN SUSTEREN: So are you suggesting...

TRUMP: But Iran will take it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Leave now, or wait, or what would you do?

TRUMP: Well, I would take the oil, personally, but of course, some people think that's a very radical solution. Somebody said, Oh, that's a sovereign country. Wouldn't that be a terrible thing? What's a sovereign country?

Look, we spent $1.3 trillion in Iraq. We should at least reimburse ourselves. I would say much more than that, but somebody else would be more modest. We get nothing. What do we get out of it? Tell you what we get out of it. Iran will take over the minute we leave. As sure as you're standing there, Iran will take over the Iraqi oil fields and Iraq as soon as we leave.

Is he right? Is Iran waiting for our departure only to swoop in and radically increase its power in the region along with its oil wealth?

Or is this just more inflammatory hyperbole from a man that has almost made a living from inflammatory hyperbole?

Readers are advised that some of Trump's comments above didn't air on Wednesday's "On the Record" but instead were included in a fuller interview published at FoxNews.com.

Comments

#1 Agree 1000%

I thought we were supposed to get some reinbursement from Iraq.

But yes, to Trump's idea 1000 times...and supply our oil needs from Iraq for a year or two at a minimal cost.

#2 Sounds like a plan, Donald...

Sounds like a plan, Donald...

"Deep within my heart lies a memory.  A song of ol' San Antone..."

#3 What an un-American idea

Red Jeep, marpel - We do not do demontage in this country.  That's what countries like the Soviet Union do. 

Trump proves himself to be a shrieking populist demagogue every single time he opens his mouth.  He'd really be better off concentrating on what he knows best.  Like real estate.

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#4 Demontage = dismantle?

Does not apply.

#5 Stealing

Sure it does.  Maybe stealing has a certain appeal to you.  It doesn't to me.  That's what other countries do. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#6 non-sequitur

You go from demontage to stealing.......whatever...

#7 Oh, but sadly for you, it DOES follow...

And what is the difference?  Demontage is stealing.  Trump's idea is stealing.  Just different forms, but stealing is stealing. 

Thanks for showing me yet again you don't put a whole hell of a lot of thought into your ideas. 

Not to mention you support for stealing demonstrates to me all too well how history-deficient you truly are. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#8 Are you off your meds?

In reply, zzzzzzzzzzzz.

#9 You should be embarrassed, Red Jeep

When I have reduced you to a stupid insult and your usual "zzzzzzzzzzzzzz", I know that once again you've lost.

You are an absolute embarrassment to the conservative cause, a shallow, vapid "thinker" on par with people like plumbumbar.   This post once again shows this. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#10 Sigh, while I agree with your

Sigh, while I agree with your position 100% as to demontage = stealing, must you find fault with everyone? Trump is just a populist, he is no conservative. His switching to the GOP is an evolution from the extremist positions of the left that has taken over the Democrat Party.

Instead of this invective against the less than ideologically pure, why not patiently educate? Draw Red Jeep out with questions and get him to see the error of what he is agreeing to when Trump falls back into liberal thinking patterns.

#11 With all due respect...

Unsane used the correct word at the outset. Red Jeep jumped on him by incorrectly stating he was wrong. Left or right, you want to correct someone, try to be correct in your correction so as not to look foolish.

Demontage is the German word, derived from French, meaning "to dismantle," or more generally to the seizure of assets as a prize of war. -   http://left.wikia.com/wiki/Demontage

Demontage ... a French word, used as a loanword in German. When the Soviet Military Administration in Germany was established in June 1945, large stretches of Soviet territory still suffered from the destruction caused during the war. Stalin wanted to rebuild the Soviet economy by dismantling industrial facilities in occupied Germany (Demontage) and reassembling them in the USSR. - http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histdic/germany/hdgdrper.html

#12 Obfuscating for Unsane now?

Obfuscating for Unsane now? The issue is NOT about the definition of a word, the issue is the manner in which people are being put down. Ironically, you Vet are equally guilty of this nonsense. The issue is NOT about Unsane being technically correct (which he is), the issue here is your ego.

Do you not understand that you personally being right is not the object here at NB?
Did you not pay attention to that little box there on the right side of the screen where it says, "380,921 people like NewsBusters.org."???? You are not just talking to Red Jeep, you are talking to literally thousands of people, what you say matters. How you say it matters even more than being technically correct. Your ragging on people with personal invective puts others off.

Our job is to educate and motivate the moderates and independents, maybe that's not why you are here? That's why I'm here. It is not we conservatives who cast the deciding votes in elections, it's the moderates and independents. Get over yourselves. We have more at stake than our egos proclaiming we are right, we have to educate and expose the load of crap being continually shoveled by liberals. Liberals know we don't buy their crap but they do know moderates and independents are frequently and easily misinformed because unlike conservatives they ASSUME whenever something is said it is done so TRUTHFULLY. We know otherwise. It is our job to expose it and explain it. That is the real mission behind NB, exposing the bias is just the first step in that mission.

#13 Whatever.

I did say with all due respect did I not?

obfuscate - 1. a : darken b : to make obscure

What did I make obscure again? You got problems with words as well?

My job? What I do here is free. Maybe it is your job to try and tell me what to do but it ain't my job to sit and listen to you give me a speech on how to act.

I do not get paid for anything I do here so get. off. my. back.

You want the truth. I will give you and moderates and liberals the truth.

1. Unsane was correct.

2. We do not do demontage. Ever. It is one of the things that makes this country exceptional.

3. Red Jeep took the dictionary translation of demontage instead of realizing words have more than one meaning in our language and other languages as well.

4. Unsane was correct.

5. Thanks for the speech.

6. Uh. I am always right. Always. I knock heads with the worst trolls that come here. I cannot afford to be incorrect once. So sorry, being correct is the object.

7. How many moderates and/or liberals have you turned again?

8. Names of people my ragging with personal invective has turned off. Kindly fill in the list.

1. ___________________________
2. ___________________________
3. ___________________________
4. ___________________________
5. ___________________________
6. ___________________________
7. ___________________________
8. ___________________________

9. I remember you, you little snit. You are the ass that attacked me out of the blue AFTER I noted the LOON willis_loon_johnson made another RACIST post. --- http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/04/27/bob-schieffer-...

10. Still waiting for you to back him up -- http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/04/27/bob-schieffer-...

11. I noticed you have never gotten on a troll's case evah for lying or stupid or well anything evah. All you ever attack is people defending themselves from insulting little snits much as yourself.

12. Pack sand you little snit. Pack it tight.

13. Those names? I am waiting.

#14 The Vet started out "With all due respect", dscott---

and you spend three paragraphs telling him how wrong and disrespectful he is, while disrespecting him totally through your whole post while managing to throw a slap at Unsane as well.

Your "job" at NB's can be whatever you want it to be.

If you want to use these very threads to crusade, campaign, or attempt to convert the rest of the country that is not included in the 380,921 figure, be they conservative individuals, liberals, heathens, or whatever; to think, believe, and act as you think conservatives should; have at it.  Good luck to you. 

Railing at The Vet in a manner resembling what you accuse him of is ironic, to say the least.

Maybe all those people you are so anxious to reach with your message won't notice that.   :o)

I personally don't consider myself as having any responsibility to or at NB's other than learning more than I knew when I logged on, jawing with some friends, and being as judicious as I can with my language use while insulting liberal trolls.

In that regard, I hope you will excuse me if I choose to conduct myself on these threads as I see fit and in a way that does not anger the powers that be, rather than jump through any behavioral hoops as determined by fellow members in their quest for perfection.

That said, I intend no animosity; just telling you that in my opinion, your reply was unnecessarily harsh.

Free country, though.

So far.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)

#15 I take it one matthewdean....

....will not make it on the list.

#16 Probability factor is likely low,---

as I personally believe that not nearly enough '"ragging with personal invective'' is used when treating with the enemy.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)

#17 Does this mean MD...

You would be on the list of "Names of people my ragging with personal invective has turned ON"?

: )

#18 Ah-hah! Another not name not appearing on the list.

What is it, you guys see the Combat word in the motto and realized a little combatting ain't a bad thing? Or we could just smooch and coo nothings in each others ears and wait for dscott to arrive before noting someone is full of bull. And only if it is a fellow right winger that is wrong. Trolls, why trolls, we just throw flowers at them and blow kisses so they will go back to trollietown and tell all the independents how lovable yet gullible we are while they fish the money out of our purloined wallets.

Uh-oh. That sounds like invective, just hope it was not to personal.

#19 "Respectfully"

You made my point and congratulations you are the poster child of what a right wing troll looks like.

Anyone remember Monty Python's Sir Lancelot storming Swamp Castle?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIqlcaazN_0&feature=related

The punchline is in part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc6HQIrEk7g&NR=1

You Vet are Sir Lancelot. Respectfully!

#20 Why don't you read where I said respectfully again.

Snit. I did not get hostile with you. You started it again. Again you snit. Since you seem to be mocking where I said respectfully.

You. Started. It.

If we listen to little snits like you, we have to sit and take foul language, stupidity, lies, birther crap, and much more just because the poster happens to come from a right leaning perspective. No. We don't. You want to be a limp wristed little sissy. Have at it. Play nice with trolls from both sides. Yeah. You can't name one person you turned here but you continue to lay the blame on me.

You openly attack me twice in responses that have nothing to do with you. Attack. First in response to some of the best most biting satire I brought here, most certainly a Best of The Vet hall of famer, then when my biggest sin is oh gasp, agreeing with another poster. And you have the balls to say what you say matters. How you say it matters even more than being technically correct. Yeah, the hypocrite dscott  deliberately picks a fight with a poster he practically admits is correct and then compares him to some video character as another open attack after claiming our job is to educate and motivate the moderates and independents.

Yeah. I am honest and up front with my posts. Anyone else here that can say that, step forward. Not so fast dscott....

Now hypocrite, I am still waiting for you to explain how both birth certificates of Barack Obama are faked, the hospital did not exist, and further, he was not eligible to be President because his father was not a U.S. citizen. A fact known to a few hundred million people in the general election in 2008. You came to the defense of another poster that claimed all of that. But yeah, according to you, we are just supposed to sit and keep our trap shut when people post that.

And I am still waiting for you to mention one name of a person I chased away.

Why do I get the feeling I will never get an answer to those but instead will get more ragging with personal invective from the hypocrite dscott that includes youtube videos of popular TV shows comparing me to characters contained therein.

Yeah, the poster that attacks me twice where he had no business attacking me wants civility. Yeah, we will get right on that right after you dig the log out of your eye.

Hypocritical little snits pointing all over the website insulting myself and others but fail to point out my first post was respectful. Then get uppity and show their true colors when they get some pushback. You started it you little snit. Now act like a man and own up to the fact you tossed out the first insults with you pointing and be nice to the trolls post. Or run away like you did last time. I am used to it. I, unlike you, take on trolls when they act the little snit like you.

#21 sentry---

Sho 'nuff !

Ah luz it whens da goody two shoes gets all up in dat ponstisificatin' bout how dey iz gonna change dis hyere world by talkin' nice, bein' 'spectful, an' maybe sneakin' in some kissin' on dem cheeks whut be foun' on dem dere librul naysayers bee-heinz.

They wants ta be all lovey-dovey is okey-doke wit me; jes don be dissin' me an' mah frenz whut don see it lak dey duz.

Ah gots mah pride, nome sayin'? 

;o)

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)

#22 Fo sho, fo sho

That's real talk

#23 Let me get you up to speed

You are not aware of Red Jeep's sorry history on NB.  To Red Jeep: Term limits ALWAYS work and if you disagree, "Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz".  The 17th Amendment, when repealed, will magically turn the Senate into a treasure trove of statesmen and if you disagree, "Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz". 

And now: America stealing other countries' resources to pay for conflicts fought in part to liberate them is a GREAT idea (no matter if that makes America like everyone else) and if you disagree, "Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" or "Must be busy at the asylum". 

Ideological purity is one thing, but being utterly vapid and being a sponge for populist rhetoric like Red Jeep is another.  If you think you can somehow get the engine to turn over in his head and thus can turn on some lights up there with "patient education", good luck to you. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#24 Got under your skin didn't I?

Can't talk reasonably with a know it all.

#25 You give yourself too much credit

The ultimate sign of a know-it-all.

Quit blaming me for your failings. It's childish to say the least. But I suppose it's easier that actually making a counter-argument - something that, as I have demonstrated, you suck at.

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#26 You are nonsequitur city

.

#27 Stick a fork in Red Jeep for he is done

And you don't know what a non sequitur is if one came up and bit half your face off.

 

And you are intellectually bankrupt because you still refuse (or, as I suspect, can't) come up with a counter-argument. The only thing you have done is throw out childish insults and toss around phrases like "non sequitur" though you are clueless as to what they mean.

You lost this argument long ago.  Don't walk away mad; just walk away.

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#28 So what grade are you in?

Since you only come here once in awhile I assume it must be when you can sneak use of your mother's computer.

#29 You are so done, Red Jeep.

You have already surrendered.  I realize you are intellectually bankrupt, cannot make counter-arguments and that I have reduced you to childish insults. 

Must you constantly underscore those points? 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#30 Well are you doing your happy dance now?

What is your point, goal? You're smarter than I am? You get on these rants of yours and destroy a thread. Are you a different form of troll? Is Bullying a turn on for you? Please advise. Maybe we all can learn from your wisdom.

#31 Pious whining

No, not doing a happy dance at all.  In fact I should be mourning, and if I was religious, maybe I'd say a prayer.  And bullying?  Please.  If you consider me bullying, you have a thinner skin than I can dare imagine.  (For one thing, you haven't even BEGUN to see "bullying" from me.  And you won't because - bruising to your massive ego as it might be - you aren't worth it.)  I'm not the one constantly lobbing ad hominem attacks left and right.  That would be you, because you can't form a counter-argument.  It's childish, and unless you love embarrassing yourself, you should just walk away.

But no.  You insist on hurling more insults, thinking I'll just sit and take it - and then piously whine about how I "destroyed" the thread with my "rants".  Have you stopped to consider your own behavior?  No, because it is in fact you who believes you are smarter and better behaved than anyone else on NB. 

You just embarrass yourself further with each and every post, and dig your hole deeper.  Do yourself a favor, Red Jeep.  Just walk away. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#32 "I'm not the one constantly lobbing ad hominem attacks left and

...right."

Surely you jest.

#33 Continue barking up a wrong tree

Sorry, guy.  You have implied that I'm in an asylum, or am "off my meds", still living at home with mommy, and that I get a sexual thrill from bullying, among other things.  And you have - stupidly - called me a bully.  Have I done anything comparable on this thread to you?  No.

I HAVE called you intellectually bankrupt, but you keep demonstrating you are, in each and every post you type on this thread.  Primarily because you cannot form a counter-argument and you consider the constant lobbing of ad hominem attacks my way to be perfectly acceptable debate. 

Weak, Red Jeep.  By the way, if you are so deeply, intensely concerned for this thread not being "destroyed"...you could always begin a "woodshed" thread. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#34 We can agree to disagree.

I think you are a bully and a braggart and you think I am an idiot. OK. See you around sometime.

#35 Yes. He is a word bully.

A word bully that types words that hurt. They hurt bad. Real bad, those letters and words that word bullies type on pages. Dang you word bully, dang you straight to heck.

Word bully.

And you are an idiot.

the. seizure. of. assets. as. a. prize. of. war

AKA

demontage.

Demontage is the German word, derived from French, meaning "to dismantle," or MORE GENERALLY to the seizure of assets as a prize of war. -- http://left.wikia.com/wiki/Demontage

#36 JHFC

You truly are an idiot - and EXTREMELY sensitive, even more so than our beloved Shahinshah - if you think I'm a bully and a braggart.  I'd ask you to back that up, but you can't be bothered to make a counter-argument.  I'm starting to wonder if you are found in Incestmo's family bush in some way. 

Why don't you come back when you CAN MAKE A F***ING COUNTER-ARGUMENT?????????????

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#37 It took you 2 days to reply?

Must be busy at the asylum.

#38 ~Was this directed at Unsane?

Because taking 4 days to reply and then making a snide jab about "2 days" is just...weird.

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"

#39 I actually have a life well beyond the scope of NB!

Actually, I'm working, because DC cannot function without my money. 

Another thing: I'm not your little fox terrier. 

Yet one more thing: days pass and YOU STILL CANNOT MAKE A SIMPLE COUNTER-ARGUMENT.  First, you counter-argue by playing word games, and then, realizing you have less than nothing (as usual), you type idiotic comments like "Zzzzzzzzzzzz" and "Must be busy at the asylum".  All of that proves to me that you don't think at all, and thus are a perfect useful idiot for a shrieking populist like Trump.  Thank the Shahinshah he's not running for office. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#40 We agree on something.

The Donald likes his name in the media.

As for the Soviet Union..."it's what they used to do..." Past tense. The USSR no longer exists.

Ernst

"Isn't it pretty to think that way?"-EH

#41 If you have to whine about tenses...

Really?  The Soviet Union no longer exists?  When did that happen?

Bet you spent the fall of 1991 in mourning...

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#42 Uns---

How about we take a huge percentage of welfare allotted money and gratis benefits (gratis to the welfare weenies but paid for by those of us who are taxed)  away from the worthless, lazy, never done a damn thing resembling paying their own way, and re-route those items towards our military personnel as pay raises, and to military dependents as subsistence level monetary increases, and maybe raise the amount given to the immediate family of those who die a line of duty death?

Probably even be a ton of money left  over.

MD

 

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)

#43 Do you have an idea of the hard numbers?

I see this talking point quite a bit in discussions on the "worthless, lazy, never done a damn thing resembling paying their own way" type of people.

http://polecolaw.newsvine.com/_news/2008/01/08/1212663-how-much-does-wel...

Interesting article. (It did include Veteran's pension plans so the actual number could be less than stated). $300-400 billion "...towards our military personnel as pay raises, and to military dependents as subsistence level monetary increases, and maybe raise the amount given to the immediate family of those who die a line of duty".

Why not make Military Service a requirement to be a "Citizen of the United States"? Institute the draft. Make people work for the title of "Citizen of the United States". If the Military creates a better citizen, then we should make every citizen prove themselves. (I'm being sarcastic with a grin.)

Ernst

"Isn't it pretty to think that way?"-EH

#44 Good thing you were being sarcastic, Blofeld,---

otherwise I would have had to point out that the government neither knows anything about, or cares about, "hard numbers".

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)

#45 I was using the Heritage Foundation numbers.

I searched for the cost of Welfare to GDP...something like that...and came upon a Heritage Foundation report. My estimate was in the correct range.

Ernst

"Isn't it pretty to think that way?"-EH

#46 here

knock yourself out.

Give Peas a Chance. ☑ ABØ in 2012

#47 Good link.

TYVM

Ernst

"Isn't it pretty to think that way?"-EH

#48 The return of the Draft is an

The return of the Draft is an non starter, our experience has pretty much taught us that those who are motivated to volunteer are far more committed to the outcome than those who unwillingly show up for target practice. I don't want any flower children in our military and I certainly don't want any dissenters there either.

The only reason Democrats want the draft back is to pack the ranks with dissaffected soldiers whose loyalty to the Commander in Chief is questionable at best and opens the door to a potential power play IF Democrats ever get their agenda item of banning the 2nd Amendment. The Founding Fathers were quite concerned about coups and that's why the 2nd Amendment exists, the all volunteer militias were meant to empower motivated people to defend their freedom. Standing armies of that period were always conscripted (drafted). By having an all volunteer standing army, we have taken the best of both forms of national defense.

The only means of poverty reduction is a job and once the unemployment rate drops back into the 4% range as under Bush, we need to phase out all public assistance. This deals with those who take advantage of our generousity and stops the vote buying. But I do agree with you I don't want ever MORE money to going to the military either, enough with the endless spending binges.

#49 Interesting points.

My comment was about the increase in pay to the Military by transferring monies from welfare programs. I find your comment "those who are motivated to volunteer are far more committed to the outcome...". Motivation and manipulation are the same words. Motivate by money is different from motivation by duty. I think separating the two are key. I think a Parris Island Drill Instructor is quite capable of turning a "flower child"(do they even exist anymore?) into a lean, mean fighting machine. There are plenty of people who would be motivated by money and opportunity.
As for the 2nd amendment? People should have the ability to protect themselves, their families and their property.
Please stop trying to compare today's 21st century armed forces to militias from the 18th century. I would compare the local police force as your local militia. If you want to rise up against your local police force, go right ahead.
Job creation starts when someone decides to take a risk with their own money and credit to develop a business by hiring people. When credit was readily available under Bush, people opened businesses and hired. When the credit stopped, the flow of money stopped, business creation stopped, unemployment increased, correct? Now, how do businesses, that have weathered the recession, get a loan or a credit increase if the Banks have said "No"?

Ernst

"Isn't it pretty to think that way?"-EH

#50 Translation:

"Please stop referencing history.  It makes my head hurt as I don't understand it, as I am a Leftist."

The police are not remotely comparable to a local militia. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#51 You are really stupid

If you want to rise up against your local police force, go right ahead.

Gangs do so all the time. I would prefer to have ammunition against both the gangs, and the policemen they have paid. I don't expect anybody to protect me or my family. The Second Amendment guarantees me the right to that for myself.

"I don't like repeat offenders, I like dead offenders". - Ted Nugent

#52 Self-defense

The more I interact with the Leftists here the more convinced I become that they think the cops can do it all.  The truth is that cops can do precious little.  They are tops at their game when investigating crime. 

That, as it is for you I am sure, is cold comfort for me as I pause to consider them tracing my chalk outline.  I'd rather have the ability to defend myself.

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#53 E.S. Blofeld LIES right in your face. And then pees on your leg.

Lie. No way arouind it. Just sits there and LIES again like he has the absolute right to sit and lie to you. Who cares anyway? He has an anonymous moniker. Won't follow him home at all.

Funny. A troll always goes back as far as he can when bringing data. Why is that? Because redistribution of money by the government has exploded in the last few years. The government used to spend around 19% of GDP right up until 2009. It now spends near 25% of GDP. AND THAT IS JUST FEDERAL. Not even included state, county, city. The take of GDP jumps to almost ONE THIRD.

Oh look. The latest numbers - wow, only monkeypeople can find those. Poor trolls have to use data from years and years and years ago.

Total income security from the LATEST  (page 140) government numbers --- 611.6 Billion. (troll's 2008 numbers - 354 Billion) A 72% INCREASE in 3 years.

Repeat ---- A 72% INCREASE in 3 years. --- Repeat

Another funny thing. You want to exclude veteran's pension plans, you can. Oh, a troll can't. That would require some actuall thinking rather than ripping some leftist blog's lies from somewhere.

Income security for 2011 (excluding veterans benefits such as income security, in a separate category here) --- 595 Billion

Screw you troll. Now you make sure you tell us how honest and nice you are again and how the big bad word bully is getting you all wrong.

Repeat ---- A 72% INCREASE in 3 years. --- Repeat

#54 Yawn

That wasn't the only increase in spending, was it? Why omit defense spending increases?

Ernst

"Isn't it pretty to think that way?"-EH

#55 Because you did not whine about that troll.

But go ahead and whine and/or lie about that as well. You iz good troll remember? I gotz yuze all wrong. Except for the lying part. Yeah, nailed dead to rights. Poor little troll.

#56 Uh syrius? Now that you are whining about it...

How many times have I said it?
1. Trolls are not very bright.
2. Trolls don't think things through.

The criticism of the Obama Admnistration is that the have exploded spending on everything BUT defense. But only a not very bright troll that does not think things through would have missed that.

From my link above.

$616 Billion in 2008
$749 Billion in 2011

21% increase.

#57 I spent 6 years in the

I spent 6 years in the military (Navy 77-83) and I will state that being in the military does make one a better citizen. Not to say that there are not good, even great citizen's who have never served, but my time in the Navy gave me a vested interest in the success of this experiment in freedom called America.

I have long been an advocate of 2 years mandatory service for every American. It would not have to be military, it could be public service (cleaning highways, eradicating invasive plants, flood control response, etc.). I think it would make for a better citizenry. Those who refused to serve would not have the vote franchise.

I didn't invent this idea, obviously. I first encountered it in a Robert Heinlein novel, Starship Trooper. It made sense to me then (back in the early 70's) and it still does today.

And I'm not being sarcastic.

“To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.” - Thomas Jefferson

#58 Absolutely correct Unsane

We invested to rebuild Iraq as an ally.

Now, I wouldn't turn down favorable contracts, but what Trump is advocating is exactly what the left accused us of doing in the first place.

"I don't like repeat offenders, I like dead offenders". - Ted Nugent

#59 Now there's something Donald and I.....

agree on.

#60 Yeah, that's it, Don.

The Donald comes up with a simple solution on seizing another country's resources after a preemptive war. When did the oil under their land become ours? Shouldn't we charge Saudi Arabia for the First Gulf War and Kuwait, too? I wonder what the Iraqi population would do as we start siphoning off the oil. That's a fantastic "Marshall Plan". The US goes broke after an invasion and then decides it is now time to take what it thinks is their property? And wouldn't this just feed the liberal meme on the war for oil as he had stated? It's sensational and it helps with his image and the ratings.
As for Iran...Bomb the living crap out of them just for the hell of it.

Ernst

"Isn't it pretty to think that way?"-EH

#61 Nah

As for Iran...Bomb the living crap out of them just for the hell of it..

Nah let Israel do it.

"I don't like repeat offenders, I like dead offenders". - Ted Nugent

#62 Iraqi Oil Pales in Comparison to this Tragedy!

Out-of-date pasty sold by Folkestone 99p Store fed to two-year old

Oh the humanity!  But you got to love the comment about the 99p that the tax payer will never get back.

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"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama

#63 Spare us the phony empathy, Trump

Trump is just a blowhard rich guy who knows that when he opens his mouth, the media -- especially Fox News -- will air it.

He hasn't an ounce of sympathy for working people. When average Americans get in the way of his fortune-building, he teams with Big Government to crush them.

The Vera Coking case in Atlantic City is just one example of how Trump has urged city governments to grab private property under eminent domain and turn it over to him.  She refused to sell her home to Trump who wanted to demolish it to build a parking lot for VIP visitors to his casino.  When she refused, he turned to the city council to snatch the real estate under eminent domain and sell it to him.  She fought him and won.

Here's what Trump had to say to Neil Cavuto regarding the infamous Kelo v. New London decision:

TRUMP:  "Well, it's sort of not a good one for me to say, because I noticed every article written about it said, "Will Donald Trump take over your home?" sort of using me as the example, Neil. And it's sort of -- it's an interesting situation to be in. But I happen to agree with it 100 percent, not that I would want to use it. But the fact is, if you have a person living in an area that's not even necessarily a good area, and government, whether it's local or whatever, government wants to build a tremendous economic development, where a lot of people are going to be put to work and make area that's not good into a good area, and move the person that's living there into a better place -- now, I know it might not be their choice -- but move the person to a better place and yet create thousands upon thousands of jobs and beautification and lots of other things, I think it happens to be good. (Fox News, 7/19/05)

There you have it, folks.  The very antithesis of a Tea Party candidate.  

#64 Spot On!

Trumps a blowhard.

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#65 Give them Congress's

Give them Congress's paychecks. They are worth more than every one of them.

                                                                                                                                                                    

#66 our servicemen and women...

...serve out of duty and honor, not for a buck. Something that is lost on Trump and many like him.

Although I do like the idea of some sort of special fund for those killed in action... maybe you could start one with all your money Donald!

v

The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

#67 Trump can accurately be described as a "Bag of Wind".

Yesterday Trump characterized Dick Cheney's book In My Time: A Personal and Political Memoir as “very, very angry and nasty”. Here is the VIDEO of Trump dissing Mr. Cheney. Trump is clearly a buffoon.

#68 Hot thread.. S. Korea would be pissed

Iraq exports record amounts of oil to S Korea.

Amman: Iraq's revenue from exporting crude oil for the first four months of 2011 is expected to reach some $26.7 billion (Dh98.07 billion), a record high since the country started exporting its oil decades ago, the head of its State Oil Marketing Organisation, or SOMO, said yesterday.

Get up to speed over there on some oil data Donald ! You going to install an oil toll booth on the new pipelines, er what?

Trumps daddy handed Don the real estate business. So he missed out on starting something from scratch, Ya know where the Iraqis started from.

Proof that it takes years and years to get a huge projects functioning.

Meanwhile, South Korea has signed a pact with Iraq securing the right to be among the first to receive at least 250,000 bpd of crude oil during any emergency that upsets the global supply-demand balance, the Ministry of Knowledge Economy said recently.

The pact significantly enhances South Korea's energy security by guaranteeing a stable supply. The amount is close to about 10 per cent of South Korea's daily crude imports of 2.4 million barrels.

As if that won't be a problem....

#69 as for me--

Boy,

Every once in a while, I drop by to read some posts and , it seems , the conservatives here are getting on each others nerves.

If I use the word "respectfully", am I then allowed to stage a force one ad hominem attack on the people I disagree with?? Hmmmm??

So here is where I sit--

Government service--mandatory-- two years--everyone. One does not have to be a gun toting soldiers. You all know the things that can be done.

My best bud and I discussed this many times. Look at the young folks with no respect for the flag, the anthem. Look at the flash mobs-- I believe that a lot of that nonsense will go away by the time the drill sarge is through with them. (All of them, combat or not will go through a "boot camp".

It is amazing that we won WW 2 since so many here feed the BS line that only a volunteer soldier is a good soldier. Tell that to all the draftees of WW2 and Korea.

"Respectfully"-

While I do not subscribe to Trump's method, there is no question we have spent blood and money in Iraq. We have imposed wartime hardships on our men and women in uniform. We have wrested our National Guard warriors from home and job.

Why did we do that??

And for those who say we should not have gone to Iraq, ask yourself this--did you feel that way when we first went? I know many did not. Rightly, wrongly or stupidly, I did. I honestly thought we were seeking vengeance for 9/11. My thoughts were tempered as time went on.

So, does Iraq owe us anything??

Would we need any of their oil if we were exploiting our own gas and oil resources?

In closing, I will address what I have seen in this column today and what I have noticed over a long time in my weekly tour through this site.

More and more , the conservatives are fighting with each other. Why??

Certain bloggers are almost always vitriolic in their posts. So, they are free to add me to their "hit list" or whatever. Prominent among those are , Unsane, Vet, Wrathful Brunette.

The love affair with NB's Alan Colmes, known here as Jer, seems to be over. Mostly, it appears, due to the good work of Matthew Dean.

The good new is that there are still a large number of good, knowledgeable bloggers here as well as staff writers and I learn something new on each visit.

#70 Let me look.

I have to go find it. It is somewhere around here. I think it rolled under the couch.

#71 Not there.

Maybe it is in the garage.

#72 Dang.

All right. I am off to the basement.

#73 vet

Look behind the furnace-- the answers to my questions may be there.

#74 What questions would that be?

Why would you pick a needless fight with other right wingers?

Why do you and your buddy think it is okay to trash others and then whine when they push back?

#75 ~I was sweeping and whistling "Oh, What a Beautiful Morning!"

when I suddenly felt a warm, fuzzy glow sweeping over me and knew that some poor toole was mewling and puking and taking my name in vain. It's nice to know I'm living rent-free in the heads of losers everywhere even when maintaining a minimal presence on the net.
I've commented on a grand total of 6 threads in the past week, but here I'm brought up in all my glory as a "prominent" vitriolic poster with a hit list.

Please, by all means, link to a few of my "vitriolic" comments so that I may gloat, preen, and plume myself on the way I've seared your psyche beyond all hope of repair.

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#76 me again

I have noticed over the long term drop ins, many instances where you have kept or searched for a number of posts to justify your position in an argument with someone else. You , of all, seem to really keep a hit list.

Paranoia???

Why can't you just address the issue or answer the question?

Excuse the interruption. Go back to sweeping.

I pop in about once every two weeks==perhaps it's just the luck of the draw, but I regularly find you in some kind of vitriolic exchange.

Since Vet can't find anything around the house and you are clearly an innocent who got caught in the line of fire--I'll just leave for the day, come back in two weeks or so and see how much your pleasant attitude has improved.

#77 ~I'm almost done sweeping the floor with you

but thanks.
Address the issue or answer the question? My dear fellow, if this were a topic I were hotly debating on another portion of the thread, I could see why you would want me to address your post. As it is, I happened to click on a Recent Comment link and found my name being dragged through the mud by some guy I have no recollection of ever interacting with, who then makes a snide comment about my "pleasant attitude", all on a thread I had made no prior comment on.
Now you demand I ignore your unprovoked slur, take your pontifications seriously and answer them, dammit! Sorry, pal. I'm absolutely uninterested in this topic, your opinions on it, your opinions on my posting style, frequency, or Scoville scale rating.

You brought my name up out of thin air, I responded to your use of it. Now, you can back up your accusations of vitriol, or you can crawl back into that glass house of yours.

 

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#78 I am almost done sweeping the

I am almost done sweeping the floor with you-- A classic WB line. Such an inflated opinion of your skills. A clear narcissistic attitude.

"My dear fellow" Far from it.

"some guy I have no recollection of ever interacting with"
true , I was just posting my observations of your sweetness over time..

"Now you demand I ignore your unprovoked slur, take your pontifications seriously"
Not really, just asking for an answer==not demanding--that is more your style.

"You brought my name up out of thin air"
Very thin and you keep proving it.

"Now, you can back up your accusations of vitriol,"
Actually, over the 4 years or so that I visit here. you , of all the bloggers, are the one who seems to keep tabs and records on slights, real or imagined.

Do you win, if I stop blogging back as you prove in each post that you are indeed the queen of vitriol?? Then, you win, you are not worth the bandwidth.

I seldom post here, I usually come to learn. The staff is great. The columns are great. Most of the postings in response to the columns are very good.

Most of the posters are fine, intelligent, people . One does not have to be a genius to notice the styles of certain people. Over time certain names stick out as those who attack the blogger rather than the content. Forgive little old me, if your name stands out in my memory, as did the others I mentioned.

Let me feed you--perhaps senility is setting in and I confused you with some other kind. gentle soul.

Ta!!!!!! I am out of here. I don't need to read more of the cocksure, "I am the greatest" that I am sure will be the response.

#79 ~Your sarcasm meter is in dire need of a tune-up, my dear fellow

"Over the 4 years or so here, you, of all the bloggers"

I've been a member for less than three years. Thanks for playing, you get an 'E' for effort.

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#80 ????????????

Pitiful riposte from someone so self assured.

#81 ~What happened to leaving?

If you were a frequent reader of mine over a period of years, as you claim, you'd already know I like to disappoint those who are obviously attempting to bait me.

Do go on, dahling.

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#82 me again

I think if you read the responses from Vet and WB you will see no answer to the questions I( posed , just defensive vitriol.

I rest my case.

#83 ~Your case is resting gently on thin air

Go ahead, make an unsubstantiated accusation and run.

Oh, and before you disappear again, remind me why I'm required to answer questions you posed on a thread I wasn't on, on a topic I wasn't participating in, in a thread that had nothing whatsoever to do with me till you dragged my name into a fight that didn't concern me?

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#84 ????????????

Touchy, touchy--give it a rest. I couldn't help it if your name came to mind when I thought of attack posters.

#85 ~Ahhhh, he can't justify his besmirching of my name

I'm stunned.

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#86 again

"I'm stunned.'

I do believe you are!

#87 ~*yawn*

Alright, if this is all you've got I'll leave you to squawk and peck your reflection.
Don't forget to get the lights when you're done.

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#88 Vitriolic and proud

Mandatory government service works SO WELL in other countries!  Why not do it here? 

I don't think so.  Mandatory government service doesn't change people and in some cases makes them worse.  On many occasions "boot camp" fails to make people better.  I know because I have seen this all the time.  The one thing I learned in boot camp is that there are two people in this world - those who have been yelled at and those who have not been yelled at.  Having been raised as an Army brat, you can guess which side I came down on. 

Like so many others, you are looking for a silver bullet easy cure for what you see ails the country.  This isn't it. 

And as for my "vitriol" - oh well.  This isn't a popularity contest for me.  I'm on NB to vent my frustrations.  Read my write -up by clicking my SN.  If people like what I say, great.  If people don't like what I say, great.  The mods are cool with what I have posted over the past 5 years, so I don't see a problem...

Something tells me your problem is, as with so many other, not my vitriol - rather, it's my making my point and not being linguine-spined about it.  I have found in my nearly four decades on this earth that doing such a thing makes people extremely nervous for some reason...

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#89 Conservative argument for the war & draft

at a time when many men waited in line and sometimes lied to get into the military to serve their nation out of respect and loyalty the draft worked (economics had a lot to do with this issue as well).  This has not been the case since the mid to late 50s so I would not recommend mandatory service though a good lesson in patriotism could start from schools teaching the positive aspects of American history and not just the negative.

Oil Money - let us look at a Conservative argument for the war in Iraq (one in which I believe holds a lot of truth) -

The war in Iraq allows the US a battlefield to wage war on an extremist ideology that is not confined to borders, central commands or uniforms without having to wait for the enemy to come to our borders.

This statement alone says that Iraq and its people have already made restitution to the US.  Their land and people were damaged, killed and used to fight a war we didn't want within our borders.  By design, we drew the killers to their front door to replace the killers that were there before.  It was a military decision that I agree with but not one without a cost to the people of Iraq.

If the current policy of promoting the MB and other 'moderate voices' through out North African and Persian countries persist with the current administration we may yet owe Iraq an apology.

. . Socialist = Modern Liberal = Parasitoid

#90 Yep. Cannot find it anywhere.

Can't find where I could ever have the tiniest bit of concern over your uncalled for attack or any forgettable thing you have ever said here.

How is that for vitriol, backbiter?

#91 Do vitriol much?

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#92 About as much as I fail to read dictionary entries....

...before opening my fat mouth and trying to correct someone that is already correct. You have an argument with me or did you fail to read the backbiter's post insulting me where none was called for?

#93 Name calling is what Liberals do

Milotoole offered a well stated observation and you go nutz mocking him instead of giving a rational reply.

I think Milotoole was 100% correct in stating "Certain bloggers are almost always vitriolic in their posts. ... Prominent among those are , Unsane, Vet, Wrathful Brunette.

I'm surprised you don't post in all caps.

#94 ~Dude?

Remind me again where I used your ego for a clawing post? I must have forgotten.

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#95 Nothing like two bacbiting snits fragging everyone in site.

I am with Wrathful Brunette. Never had 2 words pass between you and I. You feel it perfectly acceptable to knife someone you don't even know.

Why? Oh, I showed you to be wrong. Good enough reason for you I suppose.

Odd how neither you or your fellow backbiter every had the nads to speak up when you felt I, WB, or Unsane were actually being all the vitriolic. No. You come here on an unrelated blog and toss out the bombs.

#96 No, not everyone.

Still name calling, eh?

#97 ~Why are you goading him?

.

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#98 Yes you do engage in name calling. A lot. I do mean a lot.

As well as needle other users that had no quarrel with you.

Nothing like a guy with a log in his eye pointing out the splinter in yours.

Red Jeep: He'll make a good wife for someone.

Red Jeep: ...useful idiot.

Red Jeep: ...too dumb to tie their shoes.

Red Jeep: Pee Wee talks to the children. Doesn't Obama...

Red Jeep: ...sort of black president.

Red Jeep: ...spoiled brat husband...

Red Jeep: Unions, Jews and blacks, useful idiots...

Red Jeep: ...pansies...

Red Jeep: Mr. Jane Pauley

Red Jeep: Spechul Ed, Short Bus, Ed the Red

Red Jeep: Star War Bar scene buddies...

Red Jeep: Are you Lost in Space?

#99 Those are descriptive phrases

Hope you stayed up all night finding them. Thank you for reading those posts!

Anything else you would like to add to the Trump idea discussion? Or are you just here to pick fights?

#100 Whatever needler.

I got big shoulders. Yeah, I started it all. And I engage in vitriol. And I am a name caller. Here --- Look at my work --->

Red Jeep: yes, to Trump's idea 1000 times...and supply our oil needs from Iraq for a year or two at a minimal cost.

Demontage is the German word, derived from French, meaning "to dismantle," or more generally to the seizure of assets as a prize of war

 Red Jeep: Demontage = dismantle? Does not apply

Demontage...more generally to the seizure of assets as a prize of war

 Red Jeep: non-sequitur You go from demontage to stealing.......whatever...

Demontage...more generally to the seizure of assets as a prize of war

Red Jeep: Are you off your meds?

...the seizure of assets as a prize of war

Red Jeep: Got under your skin didn't I? Can't talk reasonably with a know it all.

...the seizure of assets as a prize of war

Red Jeep: You are nonsequitur city

...the seizure of assets as a prize of war

Red Jeep: So what grade are you in?

...the seizure of assets as a prize of war

Red Jeep: Do vitriol much?

...the seizure of assets as a prize of war

Red Jeep: I'm surprised you don't post in all caps

. ...the seizure of assets as a prize of war

Red Jeep: Still name calling, eh?

...the seizure of assets as a prize of war

Red Jeep: Or are you just here to pick fights?

...the seizure of assets as a prize of war

#101 Trump didn't propose dismantling Iraq...

...just repayment for our blood and treasure.

#102 Whatever.

the. seizure. of. assets. as. a. prize. of. war

#103 Red Jeep,

as I posted below it is my belief that Iraq has already paid a significant price. Liberal or Conservative that cost should be at least acknowledged prior to talking about any type of compensation which I do not believe that the US should take unless given as a gift.

. . Socialist = Modern Liberal = Parasitoid

#104 Fine.

Personally I think the response to 9/11 should have been nuclear, but that's a topic for another day.

I am tired of a couple of site bullies/trolls so I decided to play along with them awhile to see their "thought" processes. The result has been a totally unreadable thread because some people are just determined to be always right, I told you so, your dumb, I'm smart commentors that show up once in awhile and thrash a thread.

It's too bad.

#105 Red Jeep,

if unreadable, here is the comment I made on Oil Money from Iraq:

Oil Money - let us look at a Conservative argument for the war in Iraq (one in which I believe holds a lot of truth) -

The war in Iraq allows the US a battlefield to wage war on an extremist ideology that is not confined to borders, central commands or uniforms without having to wait for the enemy to come to our borders.

This statement alone says that Iraq and its people have already made restitution to the US. Their land and people were damaged, killed and used to fight a war we didn't want within our borders. By design, we drew the killers to their front door to replace the killers that were there before. It was a military decision that I agree with but not one without a cost to the people of Iraq.

If the current policy of promoting the MB and other 'moderate voices' through out North African and Persian countries persist with the current administration we may yet owe Iraq an apology.

- Also, where would you have dropped the Nuke in your hypothetical response?

. . Socialist = Modern Liberal = Parasitoid

#106 I see your point.

Where would I have dropped the nuke? Wherever I thought Bin Laden was hiding at the time. If needed a warning could be issued I suppose to turn him over or suffer the consequences.

I think if Roosevelt had the nuke before WW2 it would have been used to bring a swift conclusion to those wars. As it was it is guesstimated that maybe as high as a million U.S. service men's lives were spared by that drop on 2 civilian populations.

#107 nuking Bin Laden

I agree with the estimates from WWII but there are many differences in the WOT or in this hypothetical War on Bin Laden. There are no large defined areas of extremism and what areas are known seem to be too spread out to do significant damage.

Another poster had a more appropriate idea some while back on NB though I don't remember who. The ideas was to basically isolate as many of the extremist into the mountains and then use a mixture of 'bunker busters' and small nukes to lay waste to the mountain range. Don't know if it would have worked but it was an intriguing idea.

My personal belief is there is only one weapon that would stop the extremist of the Religion of Peace - $$$. Cut of the money supply, confescate/destroy assets and deal with only groups willing to turn their back on all violent actions in the name of Islam (dealing only in goods and services - never cash). As long as oil pumps from the ground and politicians lack the ability to make hard decisions this will never happen.

. . Socialist = Modern Liberal = Parasitoid

#108 Those are good ideas too.

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#109 ~Still waiting

for you to tell me when I peed in your cornflakes.

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#110 STEALING

Which is STEALING

We don't do that in this country! 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#111 Well, actually...

There are some progressive political types who have no problems stealing, as in tax-payers earning, elections etc. Just sayin'.

_____________________________________________________________ I'm not too drunk to dance! It's just that people keep stepping on my hands!

#112 So Red Jeep is really a progressive?

This would explain a lot - especially his need to steal from people.

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#113 ~I love it

So there's this huge barfight on a thread I had nothing to do with and was utterly unaware of till a few minutes ago, yet my name gets dragged into it for some reason. Mahvelous, dahlings. Simply mahvelous.

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#114 Same here Bru*

Click on recent comments and see a bar fight involving people not even on this thread.. Cajun wondering why Blonde and cajun2 were not mentioned as "vitriolic" as well. Think my feelings are hurt.  If Mr Toole wishes to insult unsane, The Vet and WB, then maybe he (and others who agree) should look up posters named Troglodyte, Satchmo, Zippers, and theoneofathousandusernames  cajun refers to as deddy.

Oops, those trolls have all been banned as vulgar perverts and liars thanks to the talents of Unsane, The Vet, and WB.

No bar fight, just a 4 yr member acting like a drive by. 

#115 ~Oh well

Perhaps next time you'll make the tooles "hit list". One can only hope to be so distinguished.

:-p

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#116 What????

Are you suggesting that those I named are not vitriolic?? If you are vitriolic and so called, should you be insulted ??

It appears you wish to be on a list that doesn't exist except for an observation of some people's behavior over time. Quite honestly, as a drive by, I have seldom seen your name or read any posts to say what kind of blogger you are. I am puzzled as to why you would want to be found to be nasty, if you are not. Are you such a loyal follower that you wish to be included with the others. Would you join a flash mob in Philly if WB was in it?

I am not acting like a drive by, I am a drive by.

I

#117 ~Pegged

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#118 pegged

Lobster claws are pegged to protect the innocent. Nasty jaws should be the same to protect the innocent.

#119 ~Says the guy

who brought my name into a fight in which I had no part.

Keep digging.

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#120 It was pegged for a reason. You are an idiot.

30 pages of tracking since the New Newsbusters for Cajun2. She posts more than some on your list of people you hate, Unsane (15), Me.(38), and WB (20).

An idiot that admits he does not come here often yet picks fights with people he admits he knows nothing about.

Satchmo is dead. The new King Beclowner has crowned himself. Long live King Beclowner milootoole.

#121 So--you call me an idiot-

vitriol - abusive or venomous language used to express blame or censure or bitter deep-seated ill will.

Patience is needed when dealing with your type. Where did I say I hated you. I do not. I hate those who damage our country. You are not one of those.

I do, however, intensely dislike your style and by calling me an idiot you just showed that I am not wrong about a certain clique of posters on this site.

The aforementioned do this often. You turn and attack fellow conservatives, because , I can only guess , their disagreement with your thoughts warrants averbal attacks rather than debate and an effort to present your side of that debate.

If not behaving , as you have, in an insulting way makes me an idiot, I proudly accept the tag. But--then--what are you??

#122 Where did I say I cared?

Hey everyone, the idiot that started out by attacking fellow conservatives is claiming I attack fellow conservatives. Idn't that special.

#123 You are an

Idiot.

I dont recall seeing the rule where posters must check with you on what they may write.

The Vet, Unsane and Wrathfull Brunett provide a vital service to this site, you dont. The service they provide, is to make sure this site remains an intellectually honest place to retrieve information. What you have provided is slander and conflict. You should stop!

BTW What the heck should one call an idiot?

Seek Truth, Defend Liberty

#124 Mr Toole*

Speaking of the dictionary

Diverse/Diversity: differing essentially, distinct.... capable of various forms

Bigot: An illilberal or intolerant adherent of a group, cause, or opinion, party or differences

#125 ~My dear milo,

Forgive my prior indifference to your existence; which has obviously deeply wounded you. I assure you, I will forget you again, but it will only be due to your dearth of wit, panache, urbanity, and humor.
Your feeble attempt to gain relevance by attempting to become a notch on my belt has been duly noted. Alas, I'm a catch and release kinda gal when it comes to little fellows with bad breath and worse manners. So long, farewell, adieu to you and you and you...

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"

#126 "I assure you, I will forget

"I assure you, I will forget you again"

My pleasure, completely. Arrogance, on your part, just hurts so much.

"become a notch on my belt "

Supremely narcissistic and arrogant. Would that you were twice the wit you think you are. That would get you up to a half wit. The only new notch on your belt is when you punch a new hole to fit your widening ego.

"I'm a catch and release kinda gal"

Clearly not my kind of gal. I like sweet women. REAL women.

BTW as I age I get a little forgetful, what did you say your name is??

#127 ~"Ta!!!!!! I am out of here."--toole

That does not mean what you seem to think it means, judging by your subsequent reappearance. Please, go on taking my sarcasm in deadly earnest, it's so amusing.

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"

#128 Hi Milootoole

I could be mistaken but didn't you used to post as misterbill?

#130 ~UPC

Actually, misterbill has attacked me out of the blue a couple of times. No idea why.

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"

#131 Are you sure it wasn't

mrbill

Misterbill posted once in the new NB-2 land and mrbill posted twice.

Woah don't seem that long ago, when they were posting...

Maybe Dave knows more about old retired misterbill?

#132 It was misterbill UCW

I'm pretty sure I know the thread Bru is talking about. For some reason I thought they were the same person or friends

#133 No....misterbill is one of the original NB posters

He'd have no reason to change his SN....a gentleman.

#134 Hi J

MisterBill has always been one of my favorite posters, for some reason I think they known each other. I have a pretty good memory about what people say in posts. Maybe i am getting old :-(

#135 I think it is misterbill...

and I think I know why he is now a self-described drive-by using a different name, but it really isn't worth the trouble of dredging up the issue.

Jer

#136 No way

Not a chance

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#137 J, speaking of our old friend misterbill

Have you heard from him lately?

I have shot a few emails his way, but have not gotten a response.

Just curious.

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

#138 Not a word, Dave

I find it troubling when the long time posters go missing, like misterbill, Clear Thinker, RJ, Bishop, Conservative Voice, and others...there are so many who started with us here whom I've not seen around in forever. Alas.

#139 I probably shouldn't be mentioning this...

but each of you--as have all of those you named--is to be carefully and covertly spirited away to the ultra clandestine Soros-funded re-education camp deep in the Nevadan desert. Designatees are selected enitrely via secret lottery. Boudin and Unsane are next.

Jer

#140 I, then, having disappeared and returned -

should probably be regarded as highly suspect.

Give Peas a Chance. ☑ ABØ in 2012

#141 Honestly didn't realize you were on the "list", kata...

How are Queen Mom and bigtimer doing?

Jer

#142 no idea

they are not people I'd kept in touch with.

Sad that I didn't make the "list". Actually no... then I'd have to wear my serious face too often.

Give Peas a Chance. ☑ ABØ in 2012

#143 Ain't playin u r game Jer

Cute by half gal.

#144 I don't recall inviting you to

play, Lois.

Jer

#145 Thanks for the heads up,

I will quit feeding the Pigs

Seek Truth, Defend Liberty

#146 Boudin, I know it sounds unappealing...

but you could always hide out at dKos until I give you the "all clear" signal.

Jer

#147 Thats ok

I think I have a better chance here in the Swamp, besides, suicide is no way for a good conservative to go.

Seek Truth, Defend Liberty

#148 Jer,

LOL - If I am not at least on the front page of their list, I need to get off my ass, stop screwing around, and get busy.

I mean, people might start referring to me as a slacker.  :-^)

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

#149 Slacker!

; )

_____________________________________________________________ I'm not too drunk to dance! It's just that people keep stepping on my hands!

#150 Dave...I probably shouldn't be mentioning this,

but, even as we speak, there is a one-man steel cage nearing completion and headed for the Everglades, with your name on it.

Jer

#151 Lottery

If it's a lottery, then why are our names already known?

And will the lottery be held on June 27?

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#152 J,

Last I heard from bill, he was having some health issues.

I miss having him around here - particularly his poetry.

It always made me smile.

He is one of the people that made this place truly special back in the early days.

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

#153 CV

Conservative Voice is alive and well.  I'll need to ask him why he doesn't come over here much these days...

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#154 Speaking of OG's

Anyone know what happened to Roger the Shrubber? Miss the daily Shrub Reports.

"I don't like repeat offenders, I like dead offenders". - Ted Nugent

#155 Speaking of...

Where is everyone? Where is Shrub? Where is CT? Where is a lot of folks who used to be here? I miss them. : (

_____________________________________________________________ I'm not too drunk to dance! It's just that people keep stepping on my hands!

#156 Shrubbery

He put up a post the other day.  So he is still lurking.  I do miss the Shrub Reports also, though.

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#157 So you prefer docile women, Milo?

Hmmm...a first signal of a paraphilia is a fixation on passivity in the opposite gender assuming you are heterosexual.

Care to elaborate on why you think "sweet women" are "real women"? This psychiatrist is more than interested in hearing your explanation of that one.

#158 Shoot Doc Sam

I'd be interested what Milo-tool thinks a "REAL woman" is. That would be interesting to say the least. Maybe something like this?

Warning, warning! Don't click, don't do it!

_____________________________________________________________ I'm not too drunk to dance! It's just that people keep stepping on my hands!

#159 Not clicking

But does it rhyme with "telling hamas"?

Seek Truth, Defend Liberty

#160 Doc Sam,

Isn't 'paraphilia' some weird sexual attraction to parachutes?

LOL - Sorry. It's Friday night, and I just couldn't help myself.  :-^)

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

#161 Or maybe...

Something like this?

_____________________________________________________________ I'm not too drunk to dance! It's just that people keep stepping on my hands!

#162 ~Doc Sam

That's an easy one; the women he's accustomed to require inflation.

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"

#163 Wrathful

There are women who don't?

#164 Ohhhhhh....

I'm gonna go away now.

_____________________________________________________________ I'm not too drunk to dance! It's just that people keep stepping on my hands!

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