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Open Thread: About That Gender Pay Gap

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As part of the ludicrous "war on women" idea that liberals have been pushing designed to scare educated females into voting Democrat, the old notion of a "pay gap" between men and women performing similar jobs has been resurrected. Unfortunately, as Kay Hymowitz wrote in the Wall Street Journal yesterday, it's a bunch of nonsense. While it's true that some women get paid less than men, that's because generally women with children are less likely to work longer hours at work. Take kids out of the picture, however, and it is women who actually earn more. Could it be that people are simply adjusting their own lives to fit their wants and needs? Perish the thought!

One stubborn fact of the labor market argues against the idea. That is the gender-hours gap, close cousin of the gender-wage gap. Most people have heard that full-time working American women earn only 77 cents for every dollar earned by men. Yet these numbers don't take into account the actual number of hours worked. And it turns out that women work fewer hours than men.

The Labor Department defines full-time as 35 hours a week or more, and the "or more" is far more likely to refer to male workers than to female ones. According to the department, almost 55% of workers logging more than 35 hours a week are men. In 2007, 25% of men working full-time jobs had workweeks of 41 or more hours, compared with 14% of female full-time workers. In other words, the famous gender-wage gap is to a considerable degree a gender-hours gap.

The main reason that women spend less time at work than men—and that women are unlikely to be the richer sex—is obvious: children. Today, childless 20-something women do earn more than their male peers. But most are likely to cut back their hours after they have kids, giving men the hours, and income, advantage.

One study by the American Association for University Women looked at women who graduated from college in 1992-93 and found that 23% of those who had become mothers were out of the workforce in 2003; another 17% were working part-time. Fewer than 2% of fathers fell into those categories. Another study, of M.B.A. graduates from Chicago's Booth School, discovered that only half of women with children were working full-time 10 years after graduation, compared with 95% of men.

Women, in fact, make up two-thirds of America's part-time workforce. A just-released report from the New York Federal Reserve has even found that "opting-out" by midcareer college-educated wives, especially those with wealthy husbands, has been increasing over the past 20 years.

Hymowitz doesn't focus too much on the wealthier childless women but this 2010 article from Time magazine, no bastion of conservatism, delves a bit deeper into the phenomenon. And since it's Time, instead of just telling the facts, the piece is headlined with a rah-rah headline "Workplace Salaries: At Last, Women on Top." Whatever happened to the idea that feminism was about equality, not superiority? That aside, here are some key grafs from the Time piece:

[A]ccording to a new analysis of 2,000 communities by a market research company, in 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young women are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more. This squares with earlier research from Queens College, New York, that had suggested that this was happening in major metropolises. But the new study suggests that the gap is bigger than previously thought, with young women in New York City, Los Angeles and San Diego making 17%, 12% and 15% more than their male peers, respectively. And it also holds true even in reasonably small areas like the Raleigh-Durham region and Charlotte in North Carolina (both 14% more), and Jacksonville, Fla. (6%). (See TIME's special report on the state of the American woman.)

Here's the slightly deflating caveat: this reverse gender gap, as it's known, applies only to unmarried, childless women under 30 who live in cities. The rest of working women — even those of the same age, but who are married or don't live in a major metropolitan area — are still on the less scenic side of the wage divide.

The figures come from James Chung of Reach Advisors, who has spent more than a year analyzing data from the Census Bureau's American Community Survey. He attributes the earnings reversal overwhelmingly to one factor: education. For every two guys who graduate from college or get a higher degree, three women do. This is almost the exact opposite of the graduation ratio that existed when the baby boomers entered college. Studies have consistently shown that a college degree pays off in much higher wages over a lifetime, and even in many cases for entry-level positions. "These women haven't just caught up with the guys," says Chung. "In many cities, they're clocking them."

Chung also claims that, as far as women's pay is concerned, not all cities are created equal. Having pulled data on 2,000 communities and cross-referenced the demographic information with the wage-gap figures, he found that the cities where women earned more than men had at least one of three characteristics. Some, like New York City or Los Angeles, had primary local industries that were knowledge-based. Others were manufacturing towns whose industries had shrunk, especially smaller ones like Erie, Pa., or Terre Haute, Ind. Still others, like Miami or Monroe, La., had a majority minority population. (Hispanic and black women are twice as likely to graduate from college as their male peers.)

Once again, as with many issues, it is liberals who are seeing things through a black-and-white perspective, in this case the notion that evil males are oppressing women, when reality is far more nuanced than they'd want you to believe.

Be sure to read the Hymowitz article because she talks further about how it appears that no level of government intervention, including in the much-touted Scandinavian countries, seems to be able to stop the "pay gap." Perhaps it should be called the interest gap instead.


#1 I heard this within 24 hours of the mission going public.

Apparently I still have some "sources" left that are reliable.

That really scares me, because you would not believe some of the other crap I'm hearing from those same "sources."

Comrade Bubba

#2 What can you say about the

What can you say about the smallest, most classless, and least qualified guy in just about ANY room he's in??? I was also going to say 'clueless', but Joe Plugs Bite-Me trumps Boy Baraka on that account. And I couldn't say the 'ugliest' either - not with Nurse Ratchett sitting there with an 'OH MY GOD' look on her haggard face...................

Hey, bubba - what are you doing about the 'new' NewsBusters??

#3 Beats the hell out of me.

I've been running like a Secret Service guy in a South American cathouse for the last couple of weeks, and almost missed the notice on the change. Haven't had time to understand it yet.

I did go to Disqus a few minutes ago, and couldn't find any way to register my sacred name, so I'm not off to a great start.

Got any hints how to wax this board?

Comrade Bubba

#4 I dunno,

I dunno, buddy...............I'm pretty confused by the whole thing. I'm just a simpleton and a techno-dummy to boot!!! NB is the only site I post on, although I read other sites. I checked out Disqus too, and didn't get anywhere.............I'm not sure what I'm going to do. Maybe I'll be relegated to just reading the site, which will probably make a lot of people happy, not having to read my ludicrous posts, or make fun of my writing style........

#5 Good morning killa

Your posts are almost as bad as mine.


Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

#6 killa/coco

No! I want you both on here. Even if I'm just reading it.

I hate what this huge change is doing. Wish the Admins would really reconsider this.

"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#7 I agree with Georgia Girl,

I would very much miss you both Killa and Coco. The site wouldn't be the same. I haven't tried to register yet but if I have problems I'll nag every one I know until I get on. BTW please excuse typos etc next week or so. Just had my right cornea scraped and aside from being painful its done a number on my vision. Thanks.

#8 dyardley~

Woa. That sounds so incredibly painful -- so sorry. They better have given you some powerful numbing drops or painkillers or something.

Hope you feel better soon. At least it is over with and it will be uphill with your vision soon. I know it doesn't compare, but I got my tonsils out two years ago, and it was well worth it.

"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#9 Hey GG, I had a detached

Hey GG, I had a detached retina from surfing a few years ago - you wanna talk about scary!!! They had to fly me to Honolulu and fix it RIGHT NOW, or the next day I would have been blind in that eye. And then I couldn't leave Honolulu for 17 days........and all I was wearing was some shorts and an aloha shirt!!!

#10 Killa~

Triple woa!! My tonsils are nothing!

"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#11 Believe me, it was NOT fun!!

Believe me, it was NOT fun!! And then hanging around Honolulu for 17 days, with nothing to do and only one eye to see out of, was really boring too.............time moves slow when you're NOT having fun!!! Worse yet, during the months after the retina re-attachment, when my eye was supposed to be getting better - my vision was getting cloudier and cloudier, so a point where it looked like I had some gauze over my eye..................I was growing a cataract while my eye was healing!!! JEEZ!!!! I told the doctor to shoot me!!! So when my eye got strong enough, I had to get the cataract removed!!! I didn't surf for a year, and doing my work was hard too, because of impaired vision.

But it couldn't compare to the 6 days and 6 nights I spent in the local hospital for a viscious and angry flesh-eating backteria attack that I had.............I swear that when it came on (in a matter of hours), I didn't know if I was going to be alive the next day!!

But other than that, I'm a very healthy guy!!! Hahahaha!!! I only deal in health disasters!!!

Now, I wonder how those would have gone if I was dealing with ObamaCare, instead of my own health insurance??? I think I'd be blind AND dead!!!

#12 Killa~

Exactly! I'm hoping the Supremes nuke it.

"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#13 But I thought that Diana Ross

But I thought that Diana Ross went solo years ago, and became Micael Jackson's adopted mother - back when he was a cute black kid, and long before he died as an ugly white woman!!!

#14 LOL~

I should have seen that one coming. :)

"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#15 GG

Didn't feel a thing with the procedure but afterwards.....YEOW!

#16 killa and coco*

You guys are both selling yourself "short". For proof, just wait til NB has a "like' button.

#17 Well, thanks a lot to

Well, thanks a lot to everyone for the support and the back-handed compliments!! And I really enjoy NB, and I've had great intercourse (hahahahaha!!!) with a lot of interesting people here, who cover a wide range of personalities and traits and subject is one of my favorite things to indulge in - usually in the evening during black cherry/vodka hour, or a little bit before I go to work, or on weekends. Just remember, I'm always 6 hours behind the East Coast, and 3 hours behind the West Coast.

I'm not sure what I'll do..........I'd go nuts if I was reading things, and my little peabrain was going off the charts with some of it's ludicrous and uncontrollable processes, and I couldn't write anything down. Plus, we often get into some 'expanded' subject matter around here, and if it's within my field of interst, I really get excited about it!! And also - there is the once-in-a-while 'off the charts' thread - where everything becomes haywire and heinous (rhymes with)!!! I love when that happens!!!

Maybe this weekend I'll see if I can wade through whatever it takes to stay here. I don't know about Newsbubba, who is one of my buddies and is always good for some TROOF, as well as some idiocy.....................and I know MatthewDean may be riding the fence.............but there are so many men and women here who are interesting and have similiar thinking to myself (oh God, I hope THAT doesn't offend anyone!!! Hahahahaha!!)............I'm quite fond of a lot of you folks.

I just got finished pouring a LOT of concrete - I've been at the job since 6 AM.........and it went from blazing hot to driving rain to murderously humid to driving rain to blazing hot!!! Too bad ol' Boy Baraka never did anything like this in his phony-ass pathetic life...........he'd probably have a different viewpoint. But then again, maybe not................he'd probably think that us 'folks' are waaaaaaaaaaay beneath him!!!

#18 Killa~

Listen, if you want to stay on here to comment, someone on here will help you find a way. Trust me, you are more technically competent at following any of those kind of directions than I am. Go back and check out all the advice on the bummer blog that broke the news to us on this, too. Maybe something there will help you. But someone can help you on here -- just ask.

I think a lot of us who find this a huge bummer and "ride the fence" may end up figuring out a way we can live with staying on here, like Matthew Dean. ;) But still, I truly believe the Admins are making a mistake! I am sure they really appreciate all my comments on this (not), but it really is a big deal...and it is hard to say what could happen. I'm not sure it will turn out for them as they may want it either. But I'm done expressing myself on it.

"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#19 GG ---

every single post from you reference the coming change could have come from my keyboard.

Though I'm sure there are numerous reasons behind the coming change, when Matthew Sheffield listed six advantages vs. four disadvantages, I thought, "Day-um.  I get better odds than that at the local casino."    :o)

I feel exactly as you (and many others) do about the change, but freely admit that NBs has been the best thing to happen to me in years.

That is a direct result of NewsBusters producing a class product and providing an introduction to some of the neatest people imaginable; and though his lefty lean is hard to figure given his intelligence, I include my friend Jer in that group. 

All in all, NBs helps make the era of the incompetent   #!@%$^&$*  'ing,   *^&%#$@#  'ing,  and  *&%^$@#!&  'ing  Obama almost tolerable.

Well, actually, not even close; but you get my drift.

Interesting times ahead.


"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)

#20 MD~

Thanks for your post. I know, this is actually painful!

Did you check out Ruk's Forum post on this? I guess I have now quite thoroughly let my opinion on this be known. LOL. Well, I guess we wait to see what happens...and then have to finally decide what to do.

I agree with you on Jer, too. He is really smart. How on earth is he on "the other side"? ;)

"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#21 agree with all you guys*

This feels like we are all attending a wake, doesnt it?

It appears some time ago? I logged in at another site and now disqus says I already exist but wants my password which I dont know? So it looks like I may have to open a new account with a new name and email...Who wants to suggest a new name for cajun2? cause I refuse to lose contact with all my NB buddies...

#22 Or a Church split....

Where 1/2 the members, bail-out...
And the Elders grab the cash, and leave a hull of a deserted structure behind.

Hummm... Notice that there has been no fund raising around here as of late?

cajun007 would work for me...

#23 Caj~

I like the Cajun007 idea. :)

"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#24 LOL guys*

Perhaps cajun99 would make me easier to ID...Some of you may remember Agent 99 from Get Smart.

#25 I soo had a crush on her

Barbara Feldon....

#26 Caj~

I don't know who she is, but go for it if you like that ID better! :)

"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#27 *you guys are funny

I may go with cajun007 cause that would go well with my new tag line.,232915677

#28 GG ---

I'm gonna check out Ruk's Forum post now.

Betcha ol' Jer asks the same question - "How can such an intelligent, good looking, sweet-natured person like that be on the 'other side'?"

Pretty sure he is referring to you, not me.   :o)


"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)

#29 MD/Caj~

LOL ~ you slay me!

And Caj, I think you just really have got to keep Cajun in your name! Or do you want an entirely different name?

"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#30 Its weird GG*

Disqus says I need a new name or password then they sent me an email to cajun2 at my email address that I use to log in.. When I tried to change my password, they then say I dont exist., please register.........ahhh .I'm soooo confused

#31 Caj~and paging BK!

For pity's sake! I wish I could help you make sense of that nonsense, but I'd be confused, too -- and maybe this time it's not entirely because I stink at this techno stuff. But cripes, how many times should you have sign up?! Yeah, real smooth -- this Disqus thing. *_*

BK? You around? Why is Disqus doing this to poor Caj? Any advice?

"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#32 MD~

I'm sure you found it by now, but Ruk's forum on this changeover is under "Internal Affairs."

"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#33 GG --- Yep, and rumor has it ---

Ruk wanted to call it "Infernal Affairs".   :o)


"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)

#34 MD~

No doubt!

Is Ruk gone -- like "adios, amigos & amigas" GONE for good? Or almost gone?


"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#35 I don't know, GG ---

I don't.


"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)

#36 Nah

I've decided, since I'm already on Disqus, I'll hang on long enough to see how it goes, though, I'm not all that optimistic. Gritting teeth, girding loins etc...

_____________________________________________________________ I'm not too drunk to dance! It's just that people keep stepping on my hands!

#37 Killa,

Registering wasn't so bad. Even I did it with one squinty eye. You can put anything you want (clean of course) in the sections....just make sure you have the ID you want correct. If you can survive the health disasters you've been through.....YOU CAN DO THIS!!!!!

#38 Ms. Yardley - I think the

Ms. Yardley - I think the 'keeping it clean' thing-a-ma-jig (oh, is that 'racist'??.............look!!! Up in the sky!!! Is it a bird?? Is it a plane??'s a thing-a-ma-jig!!!) will be the hardest part for me. JUST KIDDING!!!

I still don't know..............I'm going to check the surf - I have a brand new surfboard to try out (HEY!! I actually have a 'real job' these days, and I'm putting money back into the economy!!! What a concept!!! And the government has NOTHING to do with my job, my spending, or my new surfboard - other than the pound of flesh that they extract at every possible turn!!)............and I've got some other things to do on a Saturday - I had a long week. And the idea of sitting down in front of my computer and trying to figure this Disco or Discus or whatever the hell it's called thing-a-ma-jig is not my idea of a way to spend time. But I do enjoy the intercourse here on NB.

Ahhhhhhhh..........the disasters!!! TROOF!! I basically never get sick - and for that I am really thankful to my good genes, I guess.
But the disasters were challenging, to say the least..................that flesh-eating thing was intense, let me tell you!! I had a really good doctor who paid close attention to me - he'd never seen anything like it - and he got me through it without having to mutilate my Adonis-like (or was that Apollo??) body!!! JUST JOKING!!! I hope I can live for many many more moons without meeting another disaster!!!

Thanks for the support!!

#39 disqus

Hello newsbubba (killa, too), I had the same problem, couldn't figure it out and resigned myself to not being able to post (though I do it rarely and not so intelligently) after the change. Then - my 'resident expert' (aka my son) helped me out. My firefox wouldn't do it so we tried IE. Guess what - I'm registered with disqus. You can dooooooooooooooo it. Woot!

nana b

#40 Bill Clinton GAG ME video sez, otherwise....

Oh yea Romney would chicken-out....too..

President Obama's campaign is using Bill Clinton to argue Mitt Romney would not have launched the raid to capture Osama bin Laden last year.

The argument is being made to coincide with the one-year anniversary of bin Laden's death.

In extended, previously unreleased footage taken from an interview with the former president for the 17-minute pro-Obama film "The Road We've Traveled," the campaign suggests that the presumptive GOP nominee would not have ordered the mission to kill bin Laden.

If you forgot how much you cant stand Clinton, wag his finger style well take a view..,

#41 Bush Era College Loan Rates

Why is the Preezi running around the country scaring college kids that the Bush Era College Loan Rates will be hiked?

#42 The real story?

Seems Duhone Dear Leader didn't have as much control over this as he would have us believe, not that we really believed it if he had to be brought in kicking and screaming from the golf course.

Reminds me of the Merchart Vessel hostage situation.

What gutsy call?


#43 NFL draft

I watched the draft last night. These players are supposed to be so dirt poor according to the media. Where are they getting the money for the suits, shoes and bling? They have yet to sign a contract.

Looked like Robert Griffin III was wearing Gugi loofers. He was wearing some special socks in the Deadskin colors. I bet they'll be on sale today somewhere. I know he has something to do with Subway so may be he is making some money there.

As for Andrew Luck his dad is AD a West BY GOD Virginia so he should have rather nice suits. The others and some of their moms were dressed to the nines.

Are we paying for all this clothing and bling?
Here is an example of what I am talking about


A well regulated militia being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

#44 What are you talking about?

You don't need to be rich to own a suit and dress professionally. College graduates should all understand the importance of owning a suit to look proper for a job interview. The bling isn't necessarily real, and a good shoe shine goes a long way.

Where do you think the saying "You look like a hundred bucks" comes from?

#45 These are not $100 suits.

These are not $100 suits. That is real bling I saw.

A well regulated militia being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

#46 They have "sugar daddies," Rick, aka agents!

Their agents are going to make millions off of these kids, so there is no problem springing for a $500-$1,000 suit and designer shoes, and all the bling they can carry.  It is a small investment for the agent, and the players don't have a clue.  Hell, most of them could have a car before they sign if they wanted.

Comrade Bubba

#47 Bubba

I know the agents are going to get a good chunk of the millions the players will get. I can't get over the way they were dressed. The last time I got dressed like that was for my son's wedding. In a way it reminded more of the prom. Since my wife works at the local HS I can go to the prom every year if I want. I can't stand the loud music and all the other crap going on. I went to a few years ago and I never dressed like that.

A well regulated militia being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

#48 Rick

I watched a bit of this last night and thought the same thing. Moma's, Dad's, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, etc. all decked out.

#49 Interesting...

I note the prolonged absence of a smug, arrogant, greedy Canadian poster named mandrake.

I wonder if his absence has anything to do with his home province getting smacked around lately by Moody's and Standard and Poor's? And I wonder why the Province of ON is in such trouble?

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#50 All president Thug needs now is some gold fillings and a hoodie

...and he'll have the punk thing down cold.

This administration, from the top down, is filled with nothing but low-life, thuggish punks.


Vote for the American in November

#51 It's not like people will get their address's

and get busloads of people to terrorize them...

Nah, never happen.

Proud member of the 53%!

#52 Another one for Blonde list, Gag me, arrest me, rip me off

Barack Obama attempts to intimidate contributors to Mitt Romney's campaign.

Save Mr. Obama, who acknowledges no rules. This past week, one of his campaign websites posted an item entitled "Behind the curtain: A brief history of Romney's donors." In the post, the Obama campaign named and shamed eight private citizens who had donated to his opponent. Describing the givers as all having "less-than-reputable records," the post went on to make the extraordinary accusations that "quite a few" have also been "on the wrong side of the law" and profiting at "the expense of so many Americans."

#53 Thanks, upc

I have a couple more to add as well, from motherbelt and newsbubba.

I am becoming ever more confident we'll hit the 200 mark by the election. Alas, I'm really bummed about losing my signature line when we make the's an easy find for everyone's reference as my tag.

Oh well.

#54 Frankly, B....

Sticking my nose in, but that's not a gaffe. It's another manifestation of Mr. Civility's nastiness.
Which would actually make another good list.

I wish I'd thought of cataloging those some time ago!

#55 ~Ironically, one of those guys, VanderSloot

whom the WH is demonizing as anti-gay and a virtual criminal, is the CEO of a company that puts out 'green' products in 'green' packaging and produces every product they sell, except one, in the US.

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"



Comrade Bubba

#57 ~If he supported Obama

the Left would be boasting about his company from the rooftops; it has continued to flourish through the recession and topped $1 billion in sales last year.

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"

#58 Breitbart has a great video

Breitbart has a great video of SC Rep Trey Gowdy smackdown of Sebelius

#59 Without a doubt, one of the best examples of ---

why Americans should be concerned with politicians promoting what they prefer over what is either fair, right, or proper.

 Thanks, ex buff.


"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)

#60 Awesome

Gowdy beat that Statist usurper of our liberties like a rented mule.

You work for US, Kate, and you better do it by OUR rules (the Constitution),

#61 Georgia~

Dang. I'm watching "The Five," and the U.S. map shows Georgia "leaning Rommey." Holy crud! I'm not super excited about Romney, but if Georgia votes for O, I want to move.

Georgia should not be "leaning." Georgia should be standing upright and solid to vote O out.

"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#62 Watch out for Jesse and Al

Couple weeks ago two Marines and a friend returned to their Jacksonville home to find 2 scum a bags burgularizing it. One of the scum bags had the Marines's shotgun. The scum bag butt stroked him and them tried to fire a shot. The Marine always kept the chamber empty. He took the shotgun away and put two rounds into that POS. He looked around and saw this other POS fighting with his friend. He then took the gun and shot the other POS. They both went to meet their maker that moment. The DA has come out and cleared the Marine.

Now the POS's families are saying things don't add up. I look for them to try and get the unreverend Al and Jesse involved. I hope they do. Those two race hustlers come to Jacksonvile they are going to find 1/2 of the US Marine Corps at Camp Lejeune ready to take them on.

A well regulated militia being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

#63 Why I like watching the NFL Draft:

I'm literally watching dreams come true in real time. Regardless of what they go on to do, in or out of the NFL, for these few moments they get to be genuinely happy and proud -as they should be. I'm happy for them.

Congrats UA's Courtney Upshaw! Welcome to Baltimore!

#64 Looks like right now the

Looks like right now the Ravens are getting richer.

A well regulated militia being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

#65 Hey Bk and Vet

Check your PM's

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." President Ronald Reagan

#66 Oh, and EXPAT if your

Oh, and EXPAT if your interested.

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." President Ronald Reagan

#67 Killa and Georgia Girl

Check your PM's

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." President Ronald Reagan

#68 Scubie ~

I did -- PM'd you back. Pls. Tell the group my "suggestion." ;)

"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#69 GG

I'm in. Pass it on.

Proud member of the 53%!

#70 While talking about credibility........

...........he discredits himself. Good grief, man!!!! Is there EVER a moment you DON'T look like a complete fool?

#71 He doesn't lie

He just keeps making "inartfully worded statements" that need to be "recalibrated."

Or in the words of George Steph when he was a Clinton flack:

That explanation is no longer operative.

#72 The gentleman's time has expired......

.............and Kathleen Sebelius is forever GRATEFUL for that announcement.

#73 I came across this sad story on Yahoo. Although it is sad, the

manner in which the parents are dealing with this tragedy is quite uplifting.

It's about the loving parents of a 5-month-old daughter, who have been told that their beautiful daughter, Avery, has been "diagnosed with spinal muscular atrophy, a genetic disorder that attacks spinal neurons and progressively debilitates muscle function. Avery's was Type 1, the most severe kind, and doctors told them their little girl had only 18 months to live."

Here is the article with pictures. The article reads in part:

"We had several days of sitting in shock and crying and then we pulled ourselves out of that," Laura said. "Since we had such a short time, we knew we wanted to make the best of it."
To cherish every moment with Avery, the Canahuatis created "Avery's Bucket List" a blog written from Avery's perspective where they chronicle her world and track their family adventures, checking things off from the bucket list as they go.
The bucket list includes milestones in every child's life - from sitting up, kissing her mom and dad, to having a birthday party, meeting Santa Claus, losing a tooth, visiting college and more.

My best wishes and prayers go out to little Avery and her mom and dad.

#74 Sorry, couldn't bring myself to click on the links

You've given a good representation of it here. These parents are much stronger than I. I'm sure I wouldn't handle this news as stoically, and positively, as they have.

May God bless them and Avery.

"I don't like repeat offenders, I like dead offenders". - Ted Nugent

#75 The "death" of Unsane

When Disqus is used here on NB, Unsane goes "bye-bye".

But I got an account there with another screen name.

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#76 Dammit, Uns

LOL - Don't scare me like that, as all I saw in the RECENT COMMENTS block was, "'The "death" of Unsane."'


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#77 Mr. Shy & Disqus

For the record, I had nothing to do with this. I haven't touched NB since I helped on the famous (or infamous) Facelift of 2010. :p

- shy is innocent

#78 Shy,

Hey, we aren't blaming you or Matthew. 

Personally, I put the onus on Drupal.

It's like the old saying goes - If it ain't broke, don't fix it.


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#79 Dave

Yeah, there was some politics stuff going on with Drupal back when we relaunched. I guess NB's hands are sort of tied. I still do other projects with Matthew, but I'm not in the loop on this.

- Moroccan Shy

#80 LOL - Fret not, Shy, as we shan't banish you to Morocco


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#81 Good evening Dave

You ought to put him on at least 2 weeks of camel duty.


Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

#82 I would've been happier if he

I would've been happier if he had said 'the onus of the anus'.............

#83 Didn't mean to shock ya, but

Sheesh, Dave, that's why I put "death" in quotes!


"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#84 Well, shoot...

Let's hire some sort of negotiator, diplomat or therapist to work out the politics then! [[ ^_^]]

"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#85 Help, quickly please!~

I did it. I will be on the new system. But I saw no way to log off of Disqus. I looked all over for a log-out deal -- found nothing. Can someone help the helpless one?

"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

#86 top right corner of the login page

#87 Thanks!


"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan

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