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Chris Hayes: I'm 'Uncomfortable' Calling Fallen Military 'Heroes'

Effete: affected, overrefined, and ineffectual; see "Chris Hayes."  OK, I appended the name of the MSNBC host to the dictionary definition.  But if ever you wanted to see the human embodiment of the adjective in action, have a look at the video from his MSNBC show this morning of the too-refined-by-half Hayes explaining why he is "uncomfortable" in calling America's fallen military members "heroes."  

Hayes is worried that doing so is "rhetorically proximate" to justifications for more war.  Oh, the rhetorical proximity!  View the video after the jump.

In fairness, Hayes and the other panel members distinguished between their respect for the valor of the individual military members who had given their lives with the worthiness of the various causes in which they fought.  Even so, what does it say about the liberal chattering class, which Hayes epitomizes, that it chokes on calling America's fallen what they rightly and surely are: heroes?  Watch the hesitant Hayes in what almost seems a parody of the conflicted intellectual.

CHRIS HAYES: Thinking today and observing Memorial Day, that'll be happening tomorrow.  Just talked with Lt. Col. Steve Burke, who was a casualty officer with the Marines and had to tell people [inaudible].  Um, I, I, ah, [Steve] Beck, sorry, um, I think it's interesting because I think it is very difficult to talk about the war dead and the fallen without invoking valor, without invoking the words "heroes." Um, and, ah, ah, why do I feel so comfortable [sic] about the word "hero"?  I feel comfortable, ah, uncomfortable, about the word because it seems to me that it is so rhetorically proximate to justifications for more war. Um, and, I don't want to obviously desecrate or disrespect memory of anyone that's fallen, and obviously there are individual circumstances in which there is genuine, tremendous heroism: hail of gunfire, rescuing fellow soldiers and things like that. But it seems to me that we marshal this word in a way that is problematic. But maybe I'm wrong about that.      

*****Update: Hayes Last Year Called His Parents 'Heroic Figures'.

*****Update II: Hayes Issues Written Apology.


#1 I'm shocked

That MSNBS runs something other than "Locked Up" shows on the weekend.

Also, I didn't know Rachel Maddow had a son.

#2 That's not her son.

It's a loose bowel movement.


#3 It could be her son lol

You are both right...It is human excrement

#4 I guarantee you.......

I guarantee you you this creature grew up in a communist dominated, pseudo intellectual household. When this piece of offal is long forgotten, heroes will continue to be remembered and honored.

Remember that today is Memorial Day, not cook-the hot-dogs-and-drink-beer day. Re-read "In Flander's Field." Thank a veteran. Most importantly, remember the fallen who gave their all. Duty. Honor. Country.

Pray for our Nation.



#6 not communist household

I wouldn't defend this MSNBC clown for a million dollars, but it should be pointed out that the real Communists especially of Russia would never, ever disrespect the memory and sacrifice of THEIR war dead.

#7 a man

how can a man have a son?

#8 New Rules - "A man"

There are new rules.....and since a guy can get an operation dress up and compete as a woman for the Miss Universe title; and men can get married, hire a surrogate to carry a baby made out of one of their sperm so they are now "Daddies" and can go naked into any restaurant in San Francisco (as long as they sit on a napkin); and a transgender man (now a woman) can marry a guy (who is also transgender and used to be a woman).....well, I guess anything goes and Rachel Maddow is not an alien from outer space and could have a kid, or something that may look like a human being?

#9 Hayes revealed what all Democrats think of our vets

including the First Choomer.

#10 Maddow must be doing all the

Maddow must be doing all the hiring at MSDNC.


"DumbAssity of Dope"

#11 Lineage

With all my apologies to crap

#12 Lineage

Hey, come on, you'd look like crap, too, if Rachel Maddow was your father.

#13 Lineage

Hey, come on, you'd look like crap, too, if Rachel Maddow was your father.

#14 Lineage

Hey, come on, you'd look like crap, too, if Rachel Maddow was your father.

#15 Lineage

Hey, come on, you'd look like crap, too, if Rachel Maddow was your father.

#16 Somebody needs to post a

Somebody needs to post a "switched at birth" of Hayes and Maddow. Too funny!

#17 Correction

I actually believe that is her daughter. She seems so prissy.


#18 chris hayes

this jerk is a complete lowlife and waste of space. he should be charged for the air he breathes!


#19 Tired of Speculation

I'm tired of all this rampant speculation regarding Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow. It's obvious that Hayes is Maddow's identical twin sister. . . . . or Maddow is Hayes' identical twin brother. One or the other is good enough for me. Let's just not complicate things with all this other guesswork.

#20 Chris Hayes needs to be airlifted

To North Vietnam or North Korea and forgotten about. Then he'll know what a hero is.

Proud member of the 53%!

#21 It's almost like, if you

It's almost like, if you constantly celebrate homosexuality and transgender operations, you are, in fact, running the risk of just 'creating' more of it. Or Nanny-statism...praising fun-employment, the 'Julia' facade, and the like is 'rhetorically proximate' to promogating sloth and government dependence. Is it like that?

#22 I wish this twit would "proximate" something

...resembling my middle finger, upraised.

#23 Hahahaha Ms. Blonde!!! You're

Hahahaha Ms. Blonde!!! You're a real bold and brazen broad today, aren't you?? What the hell is 'rhetorically proximate' anyway?? What's with these 'nuanced' libs??? No wonder people can't speak English............and this guy sounds like an even gayer version of Boy Baraka, the way he ooooh's and ahhhh's and ummmmm's................spit it out, boy!!! Or maybe you're not used to spitting it out???

I'm 'uncomfortable' with this guy's existance!!!

#24 :)


#25 'close to persuasive speech'

'close to persuasive speech' or 'near to effective verbal and written skills'? I dunno, I would criticize him/her but I think I spelled promulgate wrong earlier. "People in glass houses.." and all....or, in liberal elitist-speak, "Bitter clingers encapsulated in abodes consisting of transparent solid panes with an unusual atomic structure should refrain from hurling geologically formed objects."

#26 I had dinner at my client's

I had dinner at my client's house last week, and he made me a vodka drink with promulgate juice - it was pretty good, although a little tart.

#27 ➚ Democrat soft porn

"uncomfortable" with calling them heroes is the naughty little lead-up story. For the hardcore stuff liberals pleasure themselves to:

Bill Maher - We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, that's not cowardly.

You almost have to call Hayes a moderate after Obama's biggest contributor, Bill Maher.

#28 Bill Maher's biggest problem

Bill Maher's biggest problem is that he's too large to fit down the toilet, which is his proper place.

#29 And you certainly couldn't

And you certainly couldn't pick him up by the clean end.

#30 People

who feel this way and verbalize it should be shipped off on the first military transport to the front line. How dare they sit here in their comfortable safety and reap the rewards of what the military men and women sacrifice for us while belittling their ultimate sacrifice. The lowest of the low


#31 transport to the front line.

Drop 'em on the other side of the wire. We certainly don't need that sort screwing up the works on our side.

#32 If Ralph Madcow had a son...

Actually, Chris Hayes is the spawn of Ralph and a turkey baster...

#33 ungrateful swine

The fact that young men and women are patriotic and heroic enough to fight and die for your right to be ungrateful and that makes YOU uncomfortable?? How uncomfortable are you taking the protection of these heros for granted?

Calling you an ungrateful swine is probably an understatement. You definitely are NOT a hero.

#34 Leftist Memorial

In fairness Hayes really didn't say they were not heroes but that calling them such would create a societal desire within its people to perpetuate war in order to become heroes.

First Christopher, when Shakespeare wrote of those who would "hold their manhood cheap" he was speaking of people like you. 

Believe it or not I understand the sentiment laid forth by Hayes but it is unfortunate that he does not. In modern culture - no soldier comes back from battle and wants that in the future for his or her children - at least not in the Western world That is why very few of our soldiers ever acknowledge their 'Hero Status'. They are humble in the light of their sacrifice because they know of those left behind, those who came hope draped in a flag and because they know the evils of the world cannot be fathomed by society in general.

That being said, there is a huge chasm between their deference to their sacrifice and heroism and the refusal to recognize the same in general terms during a recognized day of remembrance. The ignorance of people like Christopher here is disheartening but nothing new - these people have long sat in positions of the political and academic bodies of the world.

No disrespect to Sen. Kerry's questionable service (just questions) but Christopher didn't seem to mind him being a war hero:

Took a simple search and it was also linked at Ace of Spades HQ :

  Long into the twilight of his life Christopher will still be trying to puff up those who stayed behind in their beds in comfort while men and women of stronger character rejoice that freedom is still a way a life because of the American Armed Forces. Only by inflating the status of the self-appointed elites can he look in the mirror and not feel the worthlessness of the manhood that laid dormant under the covers while his betters sacrificed. A truly pitiable existence - maybe his blood money makes him feel better.

. . Socialist = Modern Liberal = Parasitoid

#35 Mr/Ms Hayes (whatever):

I would invite you to the beach here in SoCal just south of San Onofre for some fun in the sun with prospective Navy Seals. I doubt you'd last an hour.
But then, you'd probably be"uncomfortable" around real men.

#36 Chrissie probably prefers

Chrissie probably prefers guys (not men) of the fudge packing variety.

#37 Awesome how the left is

Awesome how the left is always so right on target. Their genius is stunning!!!! If you fight back against the violation of the 'freedom of religion' clause, you are engaged in a 'War on Women'. As Al Sharpton has brilliantly let us know, Republicans are looking to exterminate the black race by means of....uh, well, I'm not sure how or why, I'm sure Al does...maybe it's by making them show ID at the voting booth. And now Hayes as wonderfully unveiled the fact that all us conservatives are always itching to start wars for the simple goal of creating heroes.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

#38 I truly believe the term

I truly believe the term should be "Liberalism is an incurable mental disorder".

#39 Smarmy Little Elitist Wannabee

Yet, pretentious, pseudo-sophisticated, liberal doo-dads, like Hayes, have no difficulty in calling gays who come out of the closet "heroes". It's just that to Hayes, the job the men and women in the military do is just so, well, "yucky"...

Let's make the 2012 campaign: "The War on Error"

#40 Exactly

This was just jaw dropping. My grandfather had my Dad late in life (he died of complications years later from exposure to gas in WWI when my father was 13, while WWII was raging) and he told my father he was not a hero, he just did his job. My Dad knew the end was near and told grandpa he loved him and he was a hero. Grandpa responded "The men who didn't come home were heros because they sacraficed everything, their hopes, dreams and lives so everyone else including the men who came home could live free and to never take what was won with blood for granted." Dad told us Grandpa died a few days later but to him and us Grandpa was a hero and if this bozo can't call those men men like him heros he should be ashamed.

tired of liberal lies

#41 My grandfather died in 1933

My grandfather died in 1933 as a result of being gassed while laying wounded on the battlefield. I never knew him. To me he was a hero.

A well regulated militia being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

#42 And that's the sad irony, Chris

The MSM has labeled so many non-warriors "heroes" that they don't really understand the meaning of the world.

And here we have this Chris Hayes clown uttering some twisted illogic that insists that the recognizing of our reall heroes will only glorify war and prompt us to seek more wars, apparently for the sole purpose of creating more heroes.

Only a liberal who has never experienced war could come up with that one.

#43 When did Rachel Madcow have her sex change operation?

Draft her.


#44 I hope this makes you more than "uncomfortable" Mr. Hayes

To the 58,000 + on the Wall that perished in Viet Nam, a grateful nation salutes you, and the families of the fallen---we will never forget or forsake those who committed this ultimate sacrifice.

To the thousands of heroes that have perished after 9/11, (that joined in the fight against the radical Islamic Jihadist)---we will never forget or forsake those who committed this ultimate sacrifice.

To the hundreds of thousand that perished in our two World Wars and the Korean conflict, (that put a stop to the tyrannical dictators and the facilitators of fascism)---we will never forget or forsake those who committed this ultimate sacrifice.

From still a grateful nation, every one of you are in our hearts, our minds, and our prayers on this day. For it is the fallen that remind us that the price of freedom has been paid dearly in the flesh and blood of our greatest defenders---OUR MILITARY HEROES. GOD BLESS THEM ONE AND ALL.

~ Rov


#45 Our nation has a variety of heroes, Hayes.

Military heroes, past and present, fallen and serving.

Law enforcement heroes, past and present, fallen and serving.

Firefighters, EMTs, first responder heroes of any stripe, past and present, fallen and serving.

And that's just a sample.

However, for reference, Hayes, please understand that the term "liberal talking heads" is nowhere in the list of the heroic.  Past or present, fallen or, in your case, serving to attack what is a core commodity of this nation--noble service to others.


#46 the late Dale Earnhart and

the late Dale Earnhart and myself are the same age. he never served in uniform. I heard some stoooopid SOB call him a hero the other day. Fro doing what? For making milllions? The men and women that serve just barely get by on their salary.

A well regulated militia being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

#47 You are correct Sir

I have the same feelings when I hear some moron call a jock a Hero,,and for the same reason. How many have faced someone that actually had the weapons and the will to kill them...and they get paid millions for playing a School Boy Game. Disgusting!!


#48 'How Not"

All I can say is this:

How can they not be hero's when their ultimate sacrifice allow idiots like him to say what is on their minds.

Thank you for your sacrifice and Semper Fi !!!!!!!!

#49 Of course they're heros, you

Of course they're heros, you moron. As is the simple seaman who does the ship's laundry on a tin can off of Guam. He or she has done more for this country in a day than you've done your whole life.


I'm loing my patience with you a**holes.

"Occasionally, and randomly, problems and solutions collide. The probability of collisions decreases geometrically as the size of the committee created to force these collisions increases."

#50 Nancy boys

Prancing Nancy boys and other physical and moral cowards will always poo-poo the military and the men and women who serve. Otherwise they have to admit that their lives are less than that of others, a blow their egos cannot survive.

"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem."- President Ronald Reagan

#51 Mr Hayes*

You can disrespect anyone you want but you have earned disrespect from many because of your stupidity.
Just a simple reminder. Soldiers do not START wars, they fight them, they END them. Soldiers are prepared for war when politicians call them up for the ultimate sacrifice in order to defend this country.

#52 I think Hayes really means he

I think Hayes really means he is guilty, rather than "uncomfortable". He knows that he will never have the spine, dedication or discipline of the men and women in the military. It's a hopeless quest for him, so he is guilty of being, essentially, a loser. At least he recognizes his failures, so give him that.

"This is not your mother's Democratic Party"--Andrew Breitbart, CPAC, February 2012



#54 Chris Hayes - Rachel Mancow in drag.

This effeminate POS so needs to be bitch-slapped.

The Obamination must go!

#55 Chris Hayes... Duh

Another blathering Liberal Idiot. Lets make 2012 the "WAR ON LIBERALS" (starting at the top) The worlds human excrement.


#56 This is all we can really

This is all we can really expect from The Prison Channel. Here we have the kiddies running the show. The sophomores. The geeks. The kids who got slammed into their lockers in junior high and now want to get back at the world. The kids who when faced with making change for a $20, can't do it if the electricity is out. The ones who bring us the most ridiculous "comedy" shows on TV, which, by the way, no one but themselves watches. Hayes belongs behind the counter at McDonald's pushing the apple pies or asking an adult, "paper or plastic." It's The Prison Channel for God's sake. Don't expect more.

#57 Heroes

I served my country for 20 years so idiots like this could speak freely, but sometimes I wonder if it was worth it.

All that I know is that I still find it curious that you never see him and Rachel Maddow at the same time...just sayin'...

Have a great Memorial Day and give thanks to all of the HEROES that sacrifed and sacrifice for us.

#58 Hope he chokes on his brie

CW - NEVER doubt if it was worth it, I PROUDLY VOLUNTEERED and served 8 years and in spite of effite little pu****s like this and the rest of his "type", I wouldn't have done anything differently.

I was stunned when this show first came on that he is actually married with children.

When he first started talking I am think Madduh's Brother or Sister or..........

Niles Crane, but serious as all hell.

If you make poverty easy, you will have more of it. Benjamin Franklin

#59 @ cwa

cwa - Like someone else already said, no need for you to ever doubt whether or not your service was worth it. It was. Thank you for your service, from one veteran to another.

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;" (Isaiah 5:20)

#60 TYVM

Some (read many) won't get this, but;

Thank you, very much, for your service and sacrifice.

(I served 8 years total between RA and AR, you sir, are to be respected. I hope you have a pleasant Memorial day.)

#61 Little Lord Fauntleroy here is the left's idea of a patriot.

I'm guessing he (?) will be skipping the parade. All those violent drums and scary martial music.

#62 chris hayes

Chris, Nobody asked, you shouldn`t have told.

Mind if I refer to you as MSNBC's "Chrissie Jr" from here on?

#63 No maybe about it

There's no maybe about it, you ARE wrong about that. You effeminate, pseudo-intellectual whiney little piece of... one of the best examples of what I despise most about liberals. I am sure he feels he's being applauded all over the country right now, particularly in places like San Francisco and Manhattan. If he was typical of American men, there would never have been a United States of America for those like him to loathe. I'm so entirely ticked off by this right now, I'm afraid to even type anything further.

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;" (Isaiah 5:20)

#64 This little piece of human

This little piece of human garbage is nothing more than a coward who leeches freedom. He woul be the first to cower in fear and beg like a sissy for his life, he is also the type that would sell out his own family to save himself.

Non, je ne regrette rien. "You aren't angry because I might be a racist, you're angry because you know I'm right".

#65 You are 100% correct!!!

You are 100% correct!!!

#67 Chrissie Hayes

If you had a brain Chrissie, you would just keep your dumba$$ mouth shut on Memorial Day and be grateful that real men were willing to fight and die (and even more to your dislike kill the enemy) to defend your freedom.

You should also be grateful that we don't get to choose which ungrateful little wimps don't receive that protection.

Part of me would like to see you get an attitude adjustment from the next soldier you bump into, but I don't think you are either teachable or worth the effort.

Breitbart is here

#68 Remember*

For all the true patriotic Americans who honor our fallen soldiers please remember. Memorial Day is basically the last Monday of the month in order to give federal employees a 3-day weekend. True Memorial Day or Decoration Day is actually May 30th. I will remember my father and family members on Wednesday by placing flags at the gravestones. I would rather wait til Wednesday than to believe Monday is just another union conived paid vacation for the elite.

#69 Cajun

My mother remembers observing May 30th.  Maybe we'll go to the cemetery Wednesday instead this year.

Do you observe June 3rd for honoring Civil War dead?

#70 Good question Stratman*

Not aware of any big events regarding civil war veterans. It has become un pas.( a no-no) But there are a number of local events throughout the state at various times of the year since many important battles occured in La. As you know, the Mississippi River was a busy by way for the North and the South troops during the war. We have many stories and those events are generally celebrated or noted during festival time locally.

But, I am a stickler for the Memorial Day celebration for a very personal reason. See I was born on May 30th and because my father was so proud of the fact that I was born on that day, he gave me a special name. This photo will explain. He is one of the crew members stationed in and around North Africa during WWII.

Since I am not a techi person, many thanks to my brilliant mentor, the Blonde Gator, this photo is in the forever archives.

#71 Awesome


Seek Truth, Defend Liberty

#72 Agree

Fantastic picture and story.

Mother and I will be observing Decoration Day on the 30th. Her father was a motorcycle courier in France during WWI.

#73 So your name is Sandy. I had always thought "cajun"

might be some sort of pseudonym.

Anyway, also interesting is the fact that Vicksburg which was surrendered to the Union forces on July 4, 1863, opening up the entire Mississippi to Federal control, resulted in the town folk thereafter refusing to observe Independence Day until 1945.


#74 ?

Did you see the photo?

Seek Truth, Defend Liberty

#75 Yeah, I was just being


I agree. It is a great story, very poignant, and a wonderful tribute to both "cajun" and her dad.


#76 It takes a hero

to walk into a recruiting office and say "Put me in a line unit, I'm willing to lay down my life for this country" during a time of war. End of story.

You fu¢kin sissy.

Once again: Remember them.

#77 Remember all of them,

came across this one today, over at This Ain't Hell.

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.

#78 We shouldn't be surprised by what this sniveling worm says

He contributes tripe for the pure communist pinko bloody rag "The Nation".

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets". - Robert DeNiro, Taxi Driver (1976).

#79 By line

Just to be accurate, that line was spoken by Travis Bickle, a character played by the actor DeNiro in the movie Taxi Driver. I'm not so sure DeNiro would personally say that in the context you're implying, judging from his currently expressed sympathetic liberal political beliefs.

"You talkin' to me?!


#80 Yep....

"But it seems to me that we marshal this word in a way that is problematic. But maybe I'm wrong about that."

Yep. You're wrong, Squirt. But for those Heroes, you would never have been born. (((SPIT)))

#81 Hazy, um, ah, Chris

I can just picture Hayes saying that to a soldier or sailor and realizing his face is in ulnar proximity to the other person.

#82 Those that serve and came

Those that serve and came back do not consider themselves heroes. They have too much class. Something that POS Chrissy could never comprehend.

#83 remeember growing up.....

when growing up boys were told not to_________off or they would go blind....this guy went even further. He just got liberal STUPID.
to say this on memorial day w/e MSNB(bullshit) & C(crap) should fire this asshole...Yo vets call comcast tell them how some of your buddies fought and died.

#84 Comcast, Chris Matthews & the "Grand Wizard Crowd" comment

I have been waiting for Comcast to fire Chris Matthews for that extremely hateful and shameful comment he hurled right in the face of Michael Steele. Chris Matthews is still a Comcast Employee. If they won't fire him, then I urge all veterans to FIRE COMCAST if they are their main cable provider. Comcast is making it very obvious that they stand 100% behind the douchebaggery that goes on at this cable network they own.

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets". - Robert DeNiro, Taxi Driver (1976).

#85 My condo did just that. - We

My condo did just that. - We fired Comcast. The word service is not in their vocabulary and may account for their tolerance of turds like the two sissy Chrissy's.

#86 How does it go? It was not

How does it go? It was not the newspaper editor that gave us freedom of the press. Hey, you dumb SOB you are doing nothing to protect that right.

A well regulated militia being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

#87 Poor Chris Hayes. He's just

Poor Chris Hayes. He's just going through penis envy. He and the rest of the left have never lived outside the pampered lifestyle he's used to and the circle of losers they hang around and are oblivious to the real world. He and Maher just don't know what it is to being a real man and I challenge them to drop everything and actually do something to protect their country as the fallen have. But they won't, they're spineless cowards who are too chicken-shit to help anyone but themselves.

"It may be true that you can't fool all the people all the time, but you can fool enough of them to rule a large country"......Will Durant

#88 rbosque

All the responses are good but you get an A plus!

Sister Benedicta

#89 Liberals are Liberals first, Patriotic Americans second or third

or fourth or......

As I posted elsewhere, author and Conservative Talk Radio host Dennis Prager provided an excellent description for why those on the Left behave dishonorably: "Leftism, though secular, must be understood as a religion (which is why I have begun capitalizing it). The Leftist value system’s hold on its adherents is as strong as the hold Christianity, Judaism, and Islam have on theirs."

#90 IMHO

This is what "I support the troops, but NOT the mission" ends up as when they are forced to expound more deeply.

The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
Ronald Reagan

#91 Good point.

I had forgotten that other bit of liberal asshat logic.

#92 Well, I always thought that was Rachel Madcow...

she/he should just surrender their dual citizenship and go to a country where they don't have a military protecting their interests day and night 24/7/365 so he/she can sit in that fa&&oty ''suit and fruit of the loom'' combo that frankly I'm sick of seeing on these talking mo's all day somewhere else, especially because we all know they have shorts on half the time anyhow

So they're not fooling anyone wearing the 'house jacket' they have hanging in the green room for when Sean Penn and other Nazi's show up in their leftist uniforms with the usual Che Guevara "kill whitey & free killers" t shirts on.... 'here, have to cover that Gay Gestapo Rainbow Swastika up, BS FCC Regs, you know, Sean"...

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe. –Albert Einstein My Twitter

#93 Interesting

I'm uncomfortable calling Chris Hayes a journalist.

#94 Liberal disdain for the military

This is the typical liberal disdain for anyone in the military. Remember when Bill Clinton said that he loathed the military? Liberals care more for the terrorists than they do for the American men and women in uniform.

#95 As a retired Military guy

As a retired Military guy with over 26 years service - I have known the liberals have hated my guts since my first experience wearing a uniform in the early 80's.

As much as we disdain them, they HATE us.

He is best who is trained in the severest school." -Thucydides, "History of the Peloponnesian War" (431-404 B.C.)

#96 Funny...I know quite a few libs..

and I don't know one--NOT A SINGLE ONE--who hates those who serve in the military. It is a dangerous and despicable lie which has been promoted all too often by chickenhawk blowhards on the right who have never worn a uniform in their entire lives.

I'm sure there are, regrettably, factions on the left which are distrustful of--even hostile to--the military in a generic, institutional sense, yet still hold individual members of the various services in high regard. In any event, the detractors may make more noise but their sentiments remain the minority view.


#97 Jer, the left has done nothing to change that perception.

From Hanoi Jane forward to the present, Jer, the left has done nothing substantive to change that perception. You can label it a lie, a deception or whatever you would care to do. Problem is, that is what is now deeply ingrained in the cultural psyche of the United States.

Nearly every major antiwar/anti-military effort (organization, protest, loudmouthed Hollyweirdo etc.) has been headlined by self-avowed liberals or leftists. I didn't see Norman Lear proudly putting a Reagan bumpersticker on his car. I didn't see Matt Damon out campaigning for Marco Rubio. And please do let us know when Joan Baez proudly declares she's a Republican.

You know as well as I do that iconic cultural images stay ingrained in the collective psyche for a long time. As long as those images and ideas are kept fresh, and it is the military veterans who will more than happily keep them alive for a long time, popular culture will label leftists and liberals as anti-military. The image of Hanoi Jane at the AA gun battery is as iconic to popular American culture as the image of Betty Grable's white swimsuit picture or Marilyn Monroe's dress ruffling in the steam from the subway tunnel.

Good luck with that effort.

#98 Dr Sam: A great book named

Dr Sam:

A great book named AWOL was written several years ago by a liberal named Schafer who took as a frame of reference his own son who joined the Marines.

The author recounts the manner in which the liberal parents whose children attended the same exclusive private school tried to comfort him for the supposed "failure" of joining the military rather than continuing on their approved path

In fact, some of the more concerned liberal parents thought that some sort of investigation should be performed at the school to determine "What went wrong."

THe book does a great job showing how liberals cannot fathom having their children in the military.

He is best who is trained in the severest school." -Thucydides, "History of the Peloponnesian War" (431-404 B.C.)

#99 You don't get around much do

You don't get around much do you?

"Occasionally, and randomly, problems and solutions collide. The probability of collisions decreases geometrically as the size of the committee created to force these collisions increases."

#100 Guess when they were spitting on em

They were just trying to clean em up some, eh?

Seek Truth, Defend Liberty

#101 Jer: You calling me a

You calling me a Chickenhawk?

And YES, liberals hate us. I have first hand experience. Want the first time I knew?

It occurred when I was walking past a huge puddle of snow melt with a nearby liberal arts crowd at the university while wearing my uniform. Someone called me "Baby Killer" and another scooped up a pan full of slush and threw it on me. They laughed and made the usual hippy comments as I tried to shake the slop off of my dress uniform while headed to drill.

I doubt they were members of the Young Republicans.

Want more? I could type all night. It is HARDLY the minority view within liberalism.

He is best who is trained in the severest school." -Thucydides, "History of the Peloponnesian War" (431-404 B.C.)

#102 BD...

Did you notice I said chickenhawks who had NEVER WORN A UNIFORM IN THEIR ENTIRE LIVES? I am, and have long been, aware of your military experience.  So, obviously, I was not referring to you.

Frankly, the first hippies I knew were young Republicans.  But it's unfair and misleading to make generalized and inflexible extrapolations based on the intensely passionate and polarized sentiments which dominated the Vietnam era and apply them to American politics in recent decades. 

Without a doubt there are Democrats/liberals/leftists who hate the military, but I'm not personally acquainted with any and I don't believe it is the majority view..


#103 Why would you comment on

Why would you comment on supposed Chickenhawks when I AM making the charge? It is non-sequiter....

And YES, it is the majority view of liberals.

God, would I love to have a series of polls taken at both the GOP and DEM nominating conventions this summer. Really simple.
put out 100 career fields and ask the attendees to rank them in order of merit.

I am certain you will see a disparate spred between the two parties in where they rank the military service. Then ask as part of the normalizing data whether the person considers themselves liberal or conservative and you will see an even greater spread.

I mean, can you imagine asking such a question at the annual meeting of the ACLU? Can you imagine any world in which the ACLU types would not rank scum sucking Personal Injury Atttourney or class action shark as higher than Infantrymen?

He is best who is trained in the severest school." -Thucydides, "History of the Peloponnesian War" (431-404 B.C.)

#104 As opposed to the intense polarization we are seeing now?

Granted our current divisions are not based upon a single issue of one particular conflict, American society is as polarized now as I have ever seen it during my lifetime. Even back then, there were some moral absolutes which still existed. The same cannot be said in this day and age.

The truth is that most of the antiwar and anti-military protesters with leading voices in those times somehow became the antithesis of what they railed against at the time--they became establishment and inhabit our universities as the senior faculty across many disciplines. Their politics never changed, and many of their student sycophants are just as callow and incapable of independent thought as they were back in those days.

Unfortunately, those images from Vietnam somehow bring a new romanticization of that era. In times as troubled and with our citizenry as divided as I can ever remember, we certainly don't need the false anti-Vietnam nostalgia imposed by the geriatric enablers who are trying desperately to regain their relevance.

#105 Funny...I know quite a few

Funny...I know quite a few libs.. and I don't know one--NOT A SINGLE ONE--who hates those who serve in the military.

- Jer

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Compare with:

“I can’t believe Nixon won. I don’t know anyone who voted for him.”

- Pauline Kael


Was Jer in coma during the 60's and 70's?  Nope.  Just finely crafting his words - "I don't know one--NOT A SINGLE ONE" - to manipulate the issue on a certain path.

Hmm, that reminds me of another wordsmith:

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."

- BJ Clinton


#106 Ah yes, I was waiting for Jer the bag-o-douche to blow a gasket

A lie by Chickenhawk blowhards, huh? As usual, these IDIOT LIBTURDS LIKE JER are too stupid to read their history books. Hey Jer, here is your backpack, your jacket, and your Michelle Obama's Federal Government Approved sack lunch, so get in the car BECAUSE I AM GONNA TAKE YOUR ASS TO SCHOOL. When it comes to LIBERALS THAT HATE THE MILITARY, Hanoi Jane Fonda and John Kerry are 2 names that come to mind. How about these names of Liberals that despise the Military, Jer: Noam Chomsky, Norman Mailer, Gore Vidal, Bill Clinton, Phil Donahue (who is so yellow he came out of the womb waving a white surrender flag), Norman Lear, etc, etc, etc.

Once again Jer, you make yourself out to be a freaking idiot. You are living proof that God does indeed pass people over when passing out intelligence.

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets". - Robert DeNiro, Taxi Driver (1976).

#107 The funny thing is he cannot

The funny thing is he cannot see how not only strained his credibility is when he makes these non-sensical defensive comments trying to save liberalism from an obvious critique.

He POPS it with more joules of energy than 8 lbs of thermite.....

He is best who is trained in the severest school." -Thucydides, "History of the Peloponnesian War" (431-404 B.C.)

#108 You got that right, BD

This is what you get from the left when their Patron Saint of Pacifism is Meathead from All in the Family.

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets". - Robert DeNiro, Taxi Driver (1976).

#109 One further note, moron...

have you ever reviewed the list of notable conservatives--including the neocon interventionists [and, no, "neocon" is not pejorative; the term's originator, Irving Kristol, embraces it--who had avoided service in the Vietnam era? The pathetic record in comparison to prominent Democrats is breathtaking.

The level of your ignorance is absolutely stunning.


#110 Hmm,

So what political party dominates the military, Jer? Leftist, I dont think so.

Seek Truth, Defend Liberty

#111 definitely conservative, Boudin...


#112 Of course Jer*

"Conserve" part of conservative applies to the military.

#113 You know Jer,

I wonder why you try to hard to defend your left flank. Obviously I don't know you as a person -only a series of anonymous comments on a conservative blog, so I could be completely off base- but it seems to me you spend an inordinate amount of capital trying to cover for the nutjobs that inhabit the progressive wing of your party.

You seem to me like a JFK-democrat. You embrace the ideals of safety nets, caring for the poor, general equality, and strong unions (I'm generalizing here, not trying to be specific) while not generally accepting the anti-capitalist, anti-war for any reason, radical environmentalism progressive platforms that sadly, are the dominant force behind today's liberal politics. In some ways I feel for you. You're being abandoned. Your a blue-dog democrat and you've been run over by the bus a few times too many. And a vote for your party is essentially a vote for these radical ideals that you don't seem to willingly embrace.

And yet there's some sort of pride keeping you left of center when in reality the center has moved so far left over the last 20 years that your politics actually fall to the right. You refuse not to vote, but you refuse to vote GOP. So you're forced to cast a vote in favor of policies you inherently know are destroying that thing the JFK and others tried so hard to build.

Now, I'm sure you'll deny all of this; either by ignoring it all together or stating publicly how wrong I am. But you're comments belie such a stance. Your party has been infiltrated and co-opted by a brand of progressivism that can only be described as Marxist-influenced. It began in the 60's and advanced in small increments by LBJ, Carter and Clinton; then given a violent shove by Obama.

Let it go Jer. It doesn't represent you any longer. We've got the big tent now. And big open arms. Let it go. Just. Let. It. Go.

#114 bkeyser.....A very insightful post from the heart. I'm looking

forward to my buddy Jer's reply.

#115 Yea, me too

Although I already know what it is.

Seek Truth, Defend Liberty

#116 An astute polipsychoanalysis, bk...

worthy of my repeating a 'punny' aphorism I recently encountered: "You are wise beyond your ears." I can't, so I won't, deny all of your conclusions since even though a few may be off target, there are considerably more hits than misses.

I've never knowingly concealed or misrepresented the self-characterization of my political mindset, having mentioned several times over the years that I consider myself a centrist Democrat and therefore slightly left of the geometric midpoint on a linear ideological scale; and also one who is more inclined toward the pragmatic--what is fair? what is reasonable? what works?--rather than being locked in to formulaic positions currently in vogue with the Left.

Here's one example:  My staunch pro-civil rights, anti-segregationist advocacy during the '60's placed me firmly in the "liberal" camp--in direct opposition to many of my fellow southerners at the time. Those views easily met my tests for fairness and reasonableness.  [Whether or how successfully they would "work" was more problematic.]  Yet, for the very same reasons, I was never comfortable with affirmative action and the identity and group rights policies which it engendered.  And the 'minority oppression' crusaders [a/k/a race hustlers] whose life blood requires a permanent search for (largely imaginary) racist dragons to slay are not simply indulging in harmless nostalgia for the glory days of freedom marches and triumphal "I have a dream" oratory but instead have created and perpetuated existential impediments to social harmony and racial progress. [I had hoped for and expected many more positive words and deeds by Obama in this area, and his failure has been immensely disappointing.  But his detractors have also done their part in aiding and abetting that failure.]

"You seem to me like a JFK-democrat. You embrace the ideals of safety nets, caring for the poor, general equality, and strong unions (I'm generalizing here, not trying to be specific) while not generally accepting the anti-capitalist, anti-war for any reason, radical environmentalism progressive platforms that sadly, are the dominant force behind today's liberal politics..."

Close to a bulls eye. JFK was a centrist Democrat even by contemporaneous-i.e.1950's-60's--standards (even donating money to Richard Nixon's senatorial campaign against Helen Gehegan Douglas whom Kennedy regarded as too far left).  And, yet, especially in the South, Kennedy was still reviled as a nigra-loving, communist-appeasing, northeastern liberal. 

Your characterization of anti-capitalism, anti-war invariability, environmental radicalism I think borders on caricature in so far as it is deemed the dominant force driving liberal politics. My disagreement seems, and I suppose is, a relatively small one, but it is more than semantical.  Change "the dominant" to "a prominent" or "liberal" to "progressive" and I would be more amenable to the wording and the argument.  Despite what proponents of thoroughly unfettered and unrestrained markets may insist, a reasonably regulated economy is not per se anti-capitalist. Remember, Sherman Anti-Trust and related legislation was designed to promote competition rather than stifle it.

Bob, it would literally require many hours and several pages of commentary to really tear into this subject, issue by issue, point by point, so let me just close with a few random observations:

--Although I do generally support Democrats, it is not an inviolable rule, my having voted for quite a few Republicans at the state and local level.

--I agree with you about the political trajectories of LBJ and Carter, but not so much regarding Clinton.  You can always point to particular policies lending credence to your argument, but, on balance, I think most objective presidential historians would resist putting him in the indisputably lib/progressive category. Even the description of Obama's presidency as a "violent shove" to the left is debatable.  As troubling as the debt accumulation may be, stimulus spending to jolt the economy was the application of traditional Keynesian theory rather than the implementation of some insidious Marxist scheme.  Universal health care, in one form or another, has been proposed by every Democratic president, and by at least one Republican president, since Harry Truman.  Just as most of the criticism of George W. Bush from within his party came from the right which claimed he wasn't conservative enough, most of the criticism of Obama from within the party has come from the left which has claimed he wasn't liberal enough.

--Yes, to an extent, the center of liberal gravity has moved to the left in recent decades.  However, by the same token, there has been a corresponding shift in the conservative center of gravity to the right. The political center has been hollowed out as both major ideologies have spun toward the edges.  There are a number of reasons for the phenomenon, but I would suggest the proliferation of highly partisan political blogs is not an insignificant factor.  I read articles and opinions published at this and other conservative websites and then visit "lefty" blogs, and it is if I am traveling through parallel universes, populated by inhabitants who have less and less in common with one other save absolute confidence in their own self-righteousness.  Somewhere along the way the primacy of 'we are all Americans' became relegated to the status of quaint cliche`, if not an outright lie, and replaced by a 'we are, but they aren't' political provincialism.  And I find that not only disturbing but dangerous.

I know this hasn't addressed and answered everything you raised in your post, but it will have to do for now.  Perhaps more, later.



#117 jer

Nice to see you are who I thought when I engaged with you - ie a D who {gasp} *would* embrace the TP if he wasn't already poisoned by the biased reporting of same.

The screeching fringe on either side drives away the centrists, {which I question there ever were any} BUT, what is really going on is direction. Which is correct?

If you think the fat cats MUST "carry" those on the bottom, you vote D.

If you believe *everyone* has the opportunity to become the fat cat, you vote R.

That's the surface voter view.

Drilling down, it's about opportunity, ability, and hope.

The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
Ronald Reagan

#118 It sounds like Jer has come around in his evolution to

embracing Conservatism, and most importantly Rush Limbaugh. At least, that is what I got out of Jer's post. However I could be wrong, as I was eating a pizza while reading his post.

#119 Not quite, Rush Fan...

You could be suffering from TPO [Temporary Pepperoni Overload] Syndrome, a relatively brief and generally harmless interference with normal neurological functioning of the occipital lobe commonly associated with an unusually voracious consumption of certain varieties of pizza.

Dr Sam can tell you all about it.


#120 Jer....Just wanted to say hello. I knew that the smell of

pepperoni  Rush Limbaugh would bring a reply. Your post was not only excellent, but I suspect that before it's over (whatever that means), you may come over to the dark side, i.e. the Limbaugh side.

Regardless of the outcome, take care buddy. Wish you the best.

#121 Took this to the forums earlier today Jer

Also messaged you.

#122 A brief clarification:

When I say his "detractors" have "aided and abetted..."

I certainly don't mean all detractors or all types of criticism, but more specifically what I consider the excessive zeal of some critics to view far too much of Obama's behavior through the lens of race. In other words, determined to prove the president's obsession with race and his racial divisiveness, they have become fixated with the issue themselves.  That, added to the Jacksons and Sharptons and all the other usual suspects on the left hurling the race card at the slightest provocation, coupled with Obama's occasional ill-advised statements [the Gates matter, e.g.], the climate for a "post-racial presidency" has been and remains significantly clouded. And, for that, the president must shoulder the lion's share of the blame.


#123 jer

Sorry Jer - that sounds like the "We HAD to lie about Zimmerman/Martin or nothing {justice!!!} would *never* be done" bs.

IOW = the ends justify the means.

The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
Ronald Reagan

#124 Jer ---

You must have read my mind, as the sentence in your lengthy post which caught my eye was:

"But his detractors have also done their part in aiding and abetting that failure."

You are making an equivalence argument with "his detractors", as though the 'detractors' somehow carry an equal amount of blame for merely reacting to Obama's idiocy / faux pas. 

By implying that Obama's detractors have managed to magnify and distort - all out of proportion to what was said by Obama - his clearly audible verbal miscues, you are nothing if not consistent with your left leaning defense of a fellow Democrat.

The 'failure' was Obama's.

A more fair rendition would have had you marrying up your last sentence with the 'detractor' line, thusly:

" -- his detractors have done their part in vocalizing and continually advertising Obama's failures; but that is what opponents do.  The president must shoulder the lions' share of the blame for those failures."

Also, when placing "Obama" and "lion" in the same sentence, the correct spelling is lyin'.

Other than that, bud, a very good read.


"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)

#125 Explain this one Jer

If the military is as jammed packed and dominated by conservatives, then what is all this pap currently being spewed by the media how the military backs Obama's reelection in 2012? EVEN Chris "I lost on Jeopardy" Matthews once said that when Obama spoke at West Point, he was going into "Enemy Territory"!

And you have the GALL to say that my ignorance is stunning? I pay very close attention to the content and context of what you and your liberal idiot friends and the media say; closer attention than what you couldn't even dream of knowing existed. Look in the mirror, pal. YOU are the ignorant idiot.

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets". - Robert DeNiro, Taxi Driver (1976).

#126 Damn man, now I have to clean

Damn man, now I have to clean coffee off my screen.
WHo in their right mind thinks the military supports Obama?
I would guess that that whackjob Ron Paul has a higher enthusiasm level within the services than Obama.

He is best who is trained in the severest school." -Thucydides, "History of the Peloponnesian War" (431-404 B.C.)

#127 Okay...I misspoke.

In fact, your ignorance is no longer stunning, the repetitious display of same having robbed it of all shock value some time ago. As such, I have grown quite accustomed to it.

I regret the error.


#128 It is a far cry from either

It is a far cry from either deciding not to serve or even openly attempting to shirk service. While that might be unsavory, it is NOT the pure hatred of those who do serve that we see in liberals.

He is best who is trained in the severest school." -Thucydides, "History of the Peloponnesian War" (431-404 B.C.)

#129 Avoiding service in Viet Nam

is not the same as disliking the military.

Proud member of the 53%!

#130 Hey Jer, School isn't over so get back to your studies!

Seems to me that you only use the phrase "CHICKENHAWKS" to describe Conservatives who never served in the armed forces. You libturds make me laugh. Last time I checked, Obama and Hillary Clinton never served in the Armed Forces yet they are sending drones out all over the place in the Middle East and bombing the hell out of people.

You better be more careful with who you label as a CHICKENHAWK. Also, didn't Bill Clinton serve in the Armed Forces back in the 1960's? Oh yeah, thought so. He loathed the military so much that he and Hillary used the Marines as waiters at White House Dinner Parties back in the 1990s.

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets". - Robert DeNiro, Taxi Driver (1976).

#131 Irving Krystol: Born 1920, WWII Veteran, ANTI-RED

Jer, HERE IS YOUR BIG FAT F in History. Irving Krystol fought in WWII, so in he would have been 48 in 1968. Uh, isn't that a little old to be drafted for Military service in Vietnam? Yet I AM the ignorant one according to Jer. Like I said before, I know alot of liberals, and they are all dumber than a box full of Meghan McCains.

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets". - Robert DeNiro, Taxi Driver (1976).

#132 A fine example for your

A fine example for your 'discourse' with Jer;

Guess whose death the liberals in the media spent just a wee bit more time on?

#133 What does that link, ant...

I just get a website domain.


#134 Try it now,Jer, I just fixed

Try it now,Jer, I just fixed it in editing.

#135 Thanks, ant, but I've already commented on that just a couple

of days ago:

Submitted by Jer on Fri, 05/25/2012 - 12:40am.

I was planning another post with a few references to some really egregious/irresponsible behavior which distorted early perspectives on this case.

1. The widespread publication of an extremely dated photo of an angelic-looking 12-year-old Martin which prompted Obama to open his presidential piehole and utter the 'e looks lik a laddie of me oon blood silliness. I dare say after the release of the contemporary and more menacing-looking Martin pics, he regretted that remark.

2. NBC's 911 transcript editing debacle--inexcusable and enormously prejudicial

3. Was there some reason for withholding the more graphic blood-dripping-down-his-head pics of Zimmerman taken just after the incident? The initial photos and tape excerpts made it appear there was virtually no injury to Zimmerman.

4. Let's face it, the early narrative did provoke serious questions--even in the minds of many conservatives: Innocent and unarmed black teen walking home carrying skittles and iced tea gunned down by white neighborhood vigilante, and police say "no problem".

5. There is one area where the MSM has exhibited a definite bias for years: Racial issues. The rare instances of white on black crime are vastly overpublicized. And the far more frequent instances of black on white crime are swept under the rug. It's white guilt and a fear that blacks will be further stereotyped and stigmatized and that it may fan the flames of re-ignited racism. it's the elephant in the room that we pretend not to see and dare not talk about.


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#136 And accompanied by this...

Well, bk...for the record, this was my very first comment

Submitted by Jer on Fri, 05/25/2012 - 1:18am.

on the case:


A few words for the liberal "jump to conclusions" crowd:

Submitted by Jer on Thu, 03/22/2012 - 12:23am.

Brawley, Tawana

Duke Lacrosse

Loughner, Jared


Wait on the facts.


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#137 wolf...

There are a number of things that concern me about the world in general and my life in particular, but, rest assured, neither the possibility of my ass being taken to school by you nor your opinion of my intelligence is among them.


#138 Hey Jer, Your words and moronic actions speak for itself.

I guarantee you that more people that read Newsbusters agree with me and what I have to say ABOUT YOU and my constant exposure of your idiotic liberal tripe rather than what you say about others, including me.

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets". - Robert DeNiro, Taxi Driver (1976).

#139 Gee, ya think?

I'm only outnumbered by your ideological allies by something like 50-1. Whoop-de-damn-doo!


#140 Yep

And we all think you are stupid. Sometimes liberals are great to have around just so we can see how it is humanly possible that someone can have an IQ lower than Mika Brzezinsky. And since her IQ is in negative territory, you're breaking new ground,Jer!

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets". - Robert DeNiro, Taxi Driver (1976).

#141 I've always wanted to be in the record books, wolf...

I'll need to call mom and tell her the good news.

But I think the Spurs/OKC game has started, so we'll have to continue this brawl later.


#142 a few months ago

I had pretty much a similar argument with Jer, and called him a troll. I got my head bitten off and was reminded, in no uncertain terms, of what an established presence he is here, and that he has cordial relationships with many on Newsbusters. I'm not going to gloat about this little dustup, but I will say: Jer if you say patently ridiculous things like you did above, you're gonna get flack. BD stated that liberals hate him for being in the military and your response was you've never met a lib who hated those in the military. I believe this would be a hasty generalization fallacy

The fallacy is the majority of liberals don't hate soldiers because you've never met one who did. Just because you've never met a lib who hated those in the military doesn't mean they don't exist, or aren't the majority. 95% of the time here your posts are lucid and intelligent, and can't be argued with other than on ideological grounds. But 5% of the time you stray just a little too far and you shouldn't be surprised if you receive what djwolf gave you

In Switzerland, they had brotherly love and five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock! - Orson Welles

#143 TF ---

I have defended Jer, myself, on occasion - against unfair statements made by some who maybe haven't been perusing NBs for any length of time.

That said, the only difference between a lib troll and Jer is that Jer, it seems to me, is more of a lefty than he is a liberal; and he is a house lib, or lefty, as opposed to a drive-by type.

He sides with just about any lib opinion most of the time - though I have seen him post an occasional word of advice - along the lines of "Give it up", to a new lib troll who is getting his head handed to him.

Still and all, Jer has an ingrained, Pavlovian  type of knee jerk reaction that he appears to have absolutely no control over (which results in him getting crossways with conservatives around here about ninety eight per cent of the time), to any remarks that a conservative sees as truth but that Jer sees as disparaging to the left or Democrats; or disagrees with. 

I am almost certain that Jer leans heavily left.   :o)



"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)

#144 I disagree, Matthew

I reject his argument based on the fact that he wanted to watch the basketball game FIRST, THEN give us a piece of his mind later. That just buys him time (AKA take the easy way out). Screw that. Here is my advice to Jer: Be a man, do a nut check and stand your ground.

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets". - Robert DeNiro, Taxi Driver (1976).

#145 Tempus [and others]....

I'm trying to watch the Spurs/OKC game and just skimmed your comment and will have more to say later.

But in the meantime, I invite you and others to carefully reread Nosterrex's and BD's posts--to which I initially replied--and then give some more thought to your 'generalization fallacy' characterization of my remarks.



#146 I stick by it Jer

And I did reread your comments, several times over. My initial post was considerably more harsh, but I edited it because I accused you of calling BD a liar. I realized you didn't. But I stand by what I printed. Your inference was that since you don't know any libs who hate soldiers then they don't exist. I read that you admitted that there are libs who hate the military complex but never said there were libs who hated soldiers. I'm guessing that you're saying they were the ones who made the generalizations. I won't argue that, but you compounded the problem by coming back with another generalization. So it comes out as (to a neutral observer) BD: all libs hate soldiers! Jer: all libs I know don't hate soldiers. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I called your remark ridiculous, and the one I'm referring to is this: "I know quite a few libs and I don't know one--NOT A SINGLE ONE--who hates those who serve in the military. It is a dangerous and despicable lie which has been promoted all too often"

My argument, and it's supported by anecdotal evidence of at least celebrity libs that have already been mentioned, that many libs DO hate soldiers. They hate everything about the military, including those who serve in it. I think it's doing a disservice to military veterans to pretend that there isn't a hatred of them

BTW before I get jumped on by someone: I'm using soldier as a shorthand. I mean everyone in the military. I realize some might take offense by that. I know my Navy father would have. But be kind to a poor, slow typist

In Switzerland, they had brotherly love and five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock! - Orson Welles

#147 I know lots of liberals.....

and ALL OF THEM are dumber than a box of Meghan McCains. If you put all of their heads together there might just be enough intelligence there to tie a shoe.

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets". - Robert DeNiro, Taxi Driver (1976).

#148 You need to spot libaturds

You need to spot libaturds 100 points to get their IQ's up to zero.

#149 Jer: If you posit that my


If you posit that my post suffers from a hasty generalization - you would have to be able to prove that I have met a liberal in my time that does NOT hate the US Military.

I have not.

Ergo a failed generalization hasty or otherwise.

He is best who is trained in the severest school." -Thucydides, "History of the Peloponnesian War" (431-404 B.C.)

#150 get outta here, ya knucklehead.

Liberalism is a religion, your religion. One of your founding tenets is a hatred for the American military. Dr Phill's Truth of Life #3 - "The foundation of Liberalism is dishonesty."

#151 Forgive me if I fail to attach significant credence

to the cliched mewling of someone whose contribution to this website consists of a grand total of four posts over a year and a half. You don't know me, son. And your misguided and baseless presumptions prove it.


#152 So how many posts does he need to make

over what time period before he is taken seriously? Is there a prescribed threshold? A certain amount each month? Weekly? Daily?

In Switzerland, they had brotherly love and five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock! - Orson Welles

#153 If Liberalism is a religion:

Then should San Francisco's very own Socialist Preacher Jim Jones be nominated forever as the defacto-leader?

I personally think Liberalism is a severe Mental Disorder. One could only imagine what Sigmund Freud would say if he was alive to analyse the leaders of this Current Freak Show known as "Not your Mamma's Democrat Party".

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets". - Robert DeNiro, Taxi Driver (1976).

#154 You're right wolf

Been changed to "It's your two Mommies Democrat Party"

#155 Uh Oh, You better watch out there, Aragorn2123

Sounds like you are getting on Jer's bad side! Next thing you know Jer may accuse you of not watching Morning Shmoe if you say something negative about that show!

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets". - Robert DeNiro, Taxi Driver (1976).

#156 Jer, you are a liar! The men

Jer, you are a liar! The men in my family have served for generations. We are on our second generation in Afghanistan and our own liberal relatives have let their feelings be known....needless to say they are very lonely.

#157 I honor their service Blue Star Mom...

But unless and until you know me--and understand what I am saying--please stuff the liar accusations.. My dad was a combat veteran of World War II. My uncle was career Air Force. My first cousin is a Vietnam vet. My classmate and friend was blown to pieces by a mortal shell in Nam. I spent six years in the Army Reserves--the distinguished graduate of the Artillery Survey School in Fort Sill, Oklahoma.

I have been a student of military history for most of my life. I have the utmost respect for our military institutions and revere all of the men and women who are or have ever been members of the respective branches of our armed forces--whenever and wherever they have answered the call to serve.

I don't need you or anyone else flinging the patriot card at me.

Yes, I am well aware that there are some liberals who intensely dislike the military and have little respect for the men and women who serve in it as well. However, I am personally unacquainted with any who fit that description. I repeat: I know quite a few liberals AND NOT A SINGLE ONE HATES THE MILITARY IN GENERAL PLUS ALL OF THOSE WHO SERVE AS SOLDIERS, SAILORS, MARINES, OR AIRMEN.

Are you saying that your liberal relatives despise all of the men in your family who are military? I find that astounding and disturbing. But if you say it's true, then I believe you.

But lady, I am not a liar. Please don't call me one.


#158 IF we are to assume you do

IF we are to assume you do not hate the US Military, then we also must assume you are not as liberal as you profess.

You can admit it.

If it is any consolation many members of my extended family who for the past 40 years have been avowed liberals are now having severe second thoughts. I saw an email that was making the rounds between them in which the one person who was the key to the group in question voicing the opinion that she might actually vote for Romney this year. The enthusiasm for Obama is GONE. In 2008 they were making a statement about racial equality - or so they intended. THey had a great desire to make positive history,

That is no longer the case. They feel a bit queasy about his actions and are slowly starting to conclude that maybe a message candidate was idiocy.

He is best who is trained in the severest school." -Thucydides, "History of the Peloponnesian War" (431-404 B.C.)

#159 jer,

Thank you to your family for their service and to you for your support which has been evident over the years you have been here.

. . Socialist = Modern Liberal = Parasitoid

#160 Didn't know you were Arty, Jer

We stomped some of the same ground. I was an 0811 (Field Artillery Cannon Crewman) in the Corps and spent 9 weeks at Sill for Artillery School.

#161 Yes, bk...

And over forty years later, my ears are still ringing.


#162 Thank you so much..

For yet another feeble attempt to defend the indefensible progressive movement who think America must be destroyed in order to "improve" it.

#163 Nice try Jer, but no cigar!

Nice try Jer, but no cigar! You come up way short in the logic department, take your meds like a good little libaturd and go back to sleep.

#164 Why is anyone surpised

He is your typical arrogant left wing POS kike.

#165 Does Hayes travel?*

Or was this just another liberal but on the other side of the world?

#166 Clemenza, you're an idiot

for that "kike" slur.

Lots of Jews have served honorably in the American military. Not to mention in the Israeli military.

Besides, how many Jooooos do you know named Christopher, which means "Christ carrier"?

Oh wait! Wikipedia says his birth name was Herschel Shmoikel Hayeskofsky --- not!!

The admin people here should pull your post, and banish your anti-semitic @ss.

#167 You hadn't heard?

It's one of the bigoted simpleton's favorite words:


Excuse me. . . . .

Submitted by Clemenza on Sun, 02/26/2012 - 3:41pm.

"It's that attacking a country unprovoked is criminal."

But I don't recall this left wing kike employing this same standard for say . . . . . .



Iraq Clinton 12-16-98

Chineese Embassy Belgrade

Lybia - the Eggplant

Yemen - the eggplant

Read more:


Maybe the admins will get around to issuing a warning one of these days.


#168 Thanks, guys. You saved me the

time of replying to that asshat hater.

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.

#169 Ok now Clemenza.....

Here is your chance to apologize for your very stooped remark! Don't be so stooped and walk like this:((((((((((or this:))))))))). Come on now Clemenza, be a man or woman and stand up straight and apologize to those that you have offended! That word you used is a Naughty Word!

#170 Don't want to?

You may not want to desecrate them but you are, you did and you're wrong. Just the fact they show up to be inducted into the armed forces makes them heroes. Just the fact they are willing to put their lives on the line whenever asked makes them heroes. They could eat in the mess tent, go on 20 mile hikes, and whatever they want in their time off but the fact they're willing makes them heroes. You, sir, on the other hand seem like you are selective in what costs of freedom and liberty you will support. It's all or none.... all or none. You have chosen none and though you have the right to think your thoughts and more so express them (to an extremely limited audience -- wink-wink) out loud if far more than I think you deserve.


#171 That's alright, Chrissy, I'm

That's alright, Chrissy, I'm "uncomfortable" with the rhetorical proximity of calling, know-nothing, eunuchs "men," too, so it's a wash.

#172 Chris Hayes

And yet Chris Hayes I feel completely comfortable in calling you a Butt Boy for the left. Try releasing your ankles and give you brain some oxygen.

#173 A typical liberal POS

I wonder if this piece of dog excrement considers the Taliban and the Muslim Bros "heroes".

#174 Loose Liberal Lying Lips

This is a typical Demoron on MSNBC. If a tree falls in the woods and......

#175 The Unknown Soldier

Auden's tribute to the Unknown Soldier is a perfect response to Chris.

"To save your world, you asked this man to die. Would he, could he see you now,
ask why?"

Not just the Unknown soldier but all those who have served in our armed forces and died as well as those who served with honor and integrity in the military
are not war mongers.

Obviously, Chris has the benefits of an Ivy League education.

#176 I kind of understand why he says this...

And agree...I mean someone like him who's heroes include an OWS hippie does not know a true hero when he sees one.

Oscar Conando Gallegos
Staff Sergeant
Army of the United States
Alice, Texas
October 19, 1937 to May 11, 1968
OSCAR C GALLEGOS is on the Wall at Panel 58E Line 020


#178 Thanks!

cajun2...thanks my friend!


#179 Where Does MessNBC Find These Leftist Lunatics?

"Effete: affected, overrefined, and ineffectual; see "Chris Hayes."

I can't think of a better description for this pasty-faced little twit! Maybe this is why I haven't watched this Commie Network in at least 12 or 13 years and wouldn't be caught dead having this kind of garbage come in to my Living Room.



#180 Let's hear it for Bill Gates...

... who took billions from Americans, and then gave us back Salon and MSNBC. Great work, Bill. What a jerk.

#181 Just another undocumented journalist....

It's an insult to those of us who have earned journalism degrees to call Chris Hayes a journalist.

#182 The real question is

Did anyone other than Newsbusters actually see this live?

How much of a loser must one be to have the early Sunday morning time slot on one of the worst rated networks on television?

Liberals lie, it's what they do.   

#183 What a pathetic piece of

What a pathetic piece of human debris.

#184 Our Heroes

You can walk through some of the crumbling old towns and cities in New Jersey and other Northern states and still find almost forgotten military monuments marked with the letters GAR... Few today even know what those three letters stood for. The men were of all colors and backgrounds but they, and their comrades who died, saved the Union.

It was a fraternal organization, a band of brothers, which was dissolve in 1956 when its last member died. These men were heroes! GAR - The Grand Army of the Republic. The GAR became among the first organized advocacy groups in American politics, supporting voting rights for black veterans, lobbying the US Congress to establish veterans' pensions, and supporting candidates for office.

Its peak membership, at more than 400,000, was in 1890; a high point of Civil War commemorative ceremonies.

To each generation "Our Heroes" have served in the nation's military to ensure that this nation, this Republic, in words of President Lincoln "would not perish from the Earth."

This Memorial Day is a time to remember the men and women who have fought and died, been mutilated in mind and body, to preserve our nation. Yes they are heroes. It will only take one generation to fail and this land will lose the freedoms most of us cherish.

At the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, Benjamin Franklin was asked as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation: "Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

“A Republic, if you can keep it.” Franklyn replied.

It is our heroes who have kept, and are still keeping, our Republic and Constitution for us in a very dangerous world where far too many live under totalitarian rule. These are the men and woman who deserve our praise and remembrance.

As for Chris Hayes or MSNBC, who cares! Our heroes fought and fight for Freedom of Speech even if overpaid commentators or corporate news services act like fools!

#185 decent post...

But you forgot the G.A.R.s antagonists...

Paraphrasing Shelby...

" What are you fighting for?"- Billy Yank

"... because yer down here." - Johnny Reb


If you have never read Madison's Copious Notes, here's an opportunity to dive in....

#186 Thank you

Mr. Harnes.

#187 Freakish....

Self important, self absorbed boring twerp. Just an annoying glob of leftist goo.

#188 This whiny little Lord

This whiny little Lord Fauntleroy is rhetorically proximate to projectile vomit.

You were born American. That's the best break anybody ever got.

#189 Navel-Gazing

Good God is this a good Example of Narcissistic Naval-Gazing.
“.Specifically, the panel debated over using words like “hero” because– in their words– the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan aren’t “worthy” causes.”


#190 Drop 'em on the other side of

Drop 'em on the other side of the wire. We certainly don't need that sort screwing up the works on our side.

Why do him a favor?

#191 One thing for sure

You are anything BUT a hero. Just sit back and insult those who died for you and yours because you were too chicken
to do it yourself.

#192 One thing for sure

You are anything BUT a hero. Just sit back and insult those who died for you and yours because you were too chicken
to do it yourself.
Sorry for the duplicate post...

#193 I can top that

I'm uncomfortable calling an ineligible, Kenyan, Constitution-hating Socialist "President".

#194 YOU NAILED IT!!!!!!!


#195 Heroes

Far away from friends and loved ones
midst the storm a soldier lay
gathered round him all his buddies
raised hes head we heard him say

There's a lamplight in the window
where an angel from above
gently rocked my baby cradle
with such tender care and love

Mother dearest darling mother
it would ease this awful pain
if she'd sing until I'm sleeping
rock my cradle once again

Neath the palms tonight he's sleeping
on an island far away
though the years pass on in sorrow
I still recall his words today

Hank Williams

Many families gave their loved ones and their loved ones gave their all. We owe them a debt we cannot repay so we can at least honor them on Memorial Day. May God bless them all.


Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

#196 Chris Hayes

I would not wish any harm on you but I would not be the least bit upset if I read that the next time you pee, it comes off in your hand.


Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

#197 coco,

LOL - I think you have just solved the mystery of upcoming Cuban sex-change operations.


Vote for the American in November

#198 Heroes All

Chris Hayes: "But maybe I'm wrong about that."

Not just wrong, but dead wrong. I spent 21 years in the Marine Corps as an infantry officer with three years in combat.

I don't know what else you would call soldiers, sailors, airmen, coast guardsmen, and Marines who are on call 24/7 365 days a year at the government's beck and call. Who are told by politicians to go to war. Who in combat are never certain if they will see the next sunset or sunrise. Who endure the unendurable. Who are pushed to and beyond physical and mental limits. Who suffer long separations from their families. Who are there for their buddies in despare fights for survival.

Gee Chris, what would you call such people?

The courage and dedication to the country and Constitution of the entire MSM wouldn't fill a thimble.

When I was a platoon commander in Vietnam, about half of my platoon were draftees. But they saddled up every day and did their jobs. Some made it home OK, some were horriblly wounded, and some died.

Then came the all volunteer army. So Yeah we volunteered and so we did our jobs and took the risks in defense of our country so that others, like you Chris, could stay home nice and comfy.

Remember, the military doesn't start wars, the politicians do. But it's the military that has to do the fighting when the politicians fail. The soldiers will fight and die, but the politicans simply return to their 3 Martini lunches as the chattering political class who themselves don't have the courage to fix the serious problems they cause.

But without us as volunteers, with out those of us who see the defense of our country and protection of our Constituion as a higher calling, without those of us willing to give our lives if necessary--who exactly would step forward to protect your sorry **s, Chris?

I've seen Marines do the impossible and receive no credit. I've seen Army helicopter pilots (the Black Cats) brave an unimaginable hail of enemy fire to evacuate our wounded and dead. I've seen Marines die trying to save their buddy. I've seen the Navy crews stand duty 18 hour days. And if it weren't for the close air support from the Air Force, Navy, and Marines; I wouldn't be here today.

What term would you use to describe similar acts of courage within your studio--assuming anyone of you had the courage to put your life on the line?

The reason, Chris, you are so confilcted is because you don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about.

Therefore, MSNBC is the perfect job for you where you can revel in ignorance and remain a piece of rotting flotsam within the MSM.

#199 BMF ---

Outstanding post !!

My eternal gratitude to you and ALL your  military brothers and sisters.


"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)

#200 Salute

I salute you and all who serve. Your post is eloquent.

Ironically, it seems to me that many of our military people excel not only at what they do, but are better writers than "journalists" like Hayes.

My father was a WWII vet. Like you, sir, he always expressed respect and gratitude to all who served with him regardless of service branch or military occupation.

#201 Now, that's what I call a

Now, that's what I call a righteous dressing down. Well done Marine.

UC.L an old AF guy

Help Barry need a Forwarding Address in 2013

#202 Bravo!

First things first, thank you from the bottom of my heart for your service.

"The reason, Chris, you are so confilcted is because you don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about."

Chris has been raised to be a coward and admire other cowards. Which is why he's incapable of recognizing heroism.

#203 Thanks BMF

Good post

Seek Truth, Defend Liberty

#204 Good work, BMF.............I

Good work, BMF.............I know that my Dad - the Col. - would have agreed with you 100%. And he came up from being a 2nd Lt. in the tropical sweltering butcher-beaches of the South Pacific during WW2, so he was no 'cake eater'. And he always treated the enlisted men with respect when he was working - or even when he was in his uniform but off-duty. I remember being with him at the PX or Comminssary, and when the enlisted guys would turn the corner and see him, they'd immediatly start to salute - but he would always wave them off and tell them it was OK. And he knew which officers were 'brown-nosers' and 'kiss-asses' also, and he had no respect or time for that type of activity.

And he also was one of those 'love your country, but beware of your government' types...........he used to listen to Joe Rose ( I think that was his name) - who was a sort of predessecor to Rush Limbaugh, as far as being a conservative and an American Patriot. But he always carried himself with class and good cheer, and he treated everybody the same way - until further notice.

I'm glad that I got to think about him like this.

#205 killa37.....I believe you are referring to the one and only

ex-Marine Joe Pyne. YouTube has some videos of his shows. Here is one where he is interviewing radical Jerry Rubin.

I really enjoyed his confrontational ( only when required) no-nonsense style.

#206 Yeah, Rush.........I think

Yeah, Rush.........I think you're right. My father would be sequestered in his office, sitting at his old oak roll-top desk, puffing on a good cigar, working on his investments - which he did for his entire life, little by little, and listening to Joe Pyne on the radio. I'd go in there once in a while - usually to beg for a couple of dollars, but I remember hearing this guy on the radio, and his point of view was very much like my Dad's. (Of course, if I would have listened to him, instead of being a 'gull-darn surfBUM' - his words - as well as a rock'n'rolling, girl-chasing, devil-may-care free-floater, I'd be retired right now, and taking it easy, instead of still working my ass off!!!) But, as I like to say - I took my 'retirement' early, and now I have to work to pay for it!!! Although my father often considered me to be a lost cause, I think he always respected my independant spirit and my ability to survive out there in the 'real' world, because I left home at 17, and never came back. And when I had one son who was a Navy SEAL, and another son who was in the Coast Guard Acadamy - he seemed to give me a little credit for something, anyway!!!

I know that Rush likes to give himself credit for being 'the big voice', but this guy was around when Rush was just a fat little whippersnapper. And don't get me wrong, I like Rush a lot - but I know a few more things than just what he tells us.

#207 Joe Pyne was great. He was Mark Levin before there was...

a Mark Levin. If he came across a caller who was particularly nasty, he'd tell him to "go gargle with razor blades".

Jim Webster

#208 As a retired USAF officer I

As a retired USAF officer I am in complete agreement with your comments. It is too bad that idiots like this can't be sent to some nice place Khe Sanh to see what real bravery is like. I will never ever forget seeing the body bags stacked like cord wood by Base Operations at Bien Hoa when I passed there each day for a year. They died so this fool can make a complete and utter ass of himself.

Thank you sir for your service and God bless!

#209 *Ahem* That's "Keys On"

If you're a gaffe prone Kenyan POTUS.

See #52.

#210 And the band played...

#211 Just deport the freedom-hating little puke to North Korea...

...where he belongs, and be done with him.

He shouldn't even be allowed to draw breath in this county.


Vote for the American in November

#212 Well, Dave - I read a story

Well, Dave - I read a story this morning about how a lot of North Korean middle-echelon government types have 'accidentally' been killed in auto accidents and other unfortunate scenarios - ostenibly for not being 'up to' the challenge of being a GOOD North Korean who represents the REGIME and the dEAR LEADER in their actions and activities.

And I think these North Koreans are a pretty macho bunch - full of bluster and bravado, however false and feigned it might be - PLUS, let us NOT forget that they ARE a military dictatorship!!! So I think this little faggot might not even make it out of the airport, once he lands there.

I don't think he 'hates' freedom - hell, he's got a LOT of it - I just think he's too clueless to know why he has it!! A lot of libs are that way................and the 'smart' ones know how to use this country's freedom to achieve their goals of limiting ours, once they get into power. Our own Dear Leader is a perfect example of that.

#213 He's also uncomfortable

... with the words honor, code, & loyalty

... around sports equipment

... with subjecting his hands to a days honest work

... with a beautiful woman's advances

#214 Disgusting

The only "hero" this idiot knows anything about has a long bun and lots of cold cuts.
I guess he thinks the occupiers and other anarchists are defending his right to spew drivel.

#215 The military could use this guy ...

As a solo IED finder in Afghanistan ... And to honor his beliefs, we'll ignore his fate.





#216 YESSS!

Thank you, Chris. Every example of a pretentious, cowardly, Liberal is just another nail in the political coffin of the Democrat Party. I hope Romney and the RNC run this clip on a continual loop from now til election day.

#217 Not a 'Hero'?

As an Army vet (during wartime, supporting, but not in, a combat theater), every person who has died while in the service of his [or hers] nation should be recognized as a hero of that nation. I also believe that anybody who willingly put's themselves in harms way for their nation also be classified as a hero.

Just to be clear, none of us (past/present/future) military want anything to do with war, but will respond when the nation asks it of us.

75F1O/88M1O/13B2O (Desk, RA/truck, USAR/Gun bunny, USAR)

#218 Cowards

Chris Hayes is a prime reason for bringing back the DRAFT. People like him, should at least have a lottery chance opportunity to protect America whether or not they want to or not. If they don't want to serve they should be labeled coward then sent to reeducation camp.
Vietnam 70-71

joe pane

#219 no, No, NO

The draft is a means to ensure that IF we need people in times of emergency, we can get them.

The professional, volunteer, military doesn't need or even want people who don't want to be there.

#220 AMEN!

This is the LAST guy I'd want watching my back in combat. I think the draft should be reinstituted and revised so that weasely little worms like Hayes would be required to serve alternate duty, such as special Peace Corps volunteers in Middle Eastern countries.

#221 You'd be surprised how fast a

You'd be surprised how fast a bullet whizzing over ones head changes a persons.

joe pane

#222 I used to throw little

I used to throw little sissies like this out every day when I was an AFR 39-16 (Non-compatibility aka useless sissies) officer. They always tried to hang on doing zilch until they got to 180 days in which made them eligible for veteran benefits, but I always made sure if they were sent to me on even the 179th day I had them out by sun down. I would not allow them to milk the system that was designed for REAL patriots. I would love to have stood this little turd in brace and chewed his sissy ass out until he cried his eyes out begging for his mommy.

#223 This effeminate, pompous and pedantic little puke makes me sick.

I want to slap the features off his face.

#224 I feel the same way about this guy

and obama.

Proud member of the 53%!

#225 Want this nonsense from MSNBC

Want this nonsense from MSNBC to end? Cancel your cable TV NOW.

#226 Military Heroes

I have a real clear idea of what constitutes a hero and what doesn't. At the time of the Vietnam war I scrapped with those above me in the chain of command and got tossed in the brig and then kicked out. In retrospect these many years later, I see that it was more my cowardice than it was my philosophy which animated my conflict and exit.

Now I have lost two cousins --- one fell in Afghanistan fighting the Russians before the American invasion of Afghanistan. He was blown to pieces by a Russian RPG while trying to pull an injured comrade behind a stone wall which might have saved them both.

The other lad fell to a sniper, in Iraq. He was involved in an IED explosion and when he rushed from his vehcile forward to where his commander was taking fire, he was shot through the armhole of his flak jacket and into his lung. It took him about six hours to die there, on the ground. We used to babysit him when he was a little kid, and he danced Circassian dance like a djinni, a pro, as a teenager.

Both of these men were braver than I have ever been and braver than I am ever likely to be --- although perhaps one day I may redeem myself, dying for a good cause. We'll see.

When I see some punk Democrat mince words about heroism, I know that I've found a coward worse than myself. That gives me no comfort, nor should that fact comfort anyone else, in the dangerous world that we live in.

#227 If not before.....

you are now.....a very honorable person. Thank you for your heartfelt comments and your honesty! I am so glad you shared your story with us.

#228 You are brave enough

to see yourself truly and few are that brave.

#229 Courage comes in many forms, such as the moral

fortitude to expose and confront our private "demons"--a task from which the coward shrinks but you have met so bravely and so well. No heroic death is necessary to restore a sense of honor that was never truly lost. It was always there, and its revelation has completed your redemption.


#230 Peace

Asked to fight Jesus did naught
disobeyed what the elders taught
preached what love could wrought
expiring breath by a soldier's sword was caught.

#231 Weasel

Obviously someone who has never fought for anyone ever.

The military are heroes. They go to protect America and the civilians of the country they are deployed too. They have to rely on the information given to them by the government (e.g. WMDs in Iraq, Libya is using military aircraft against civilians) and they go to fight the enemy while trying to preserves life to all extent possible. If there is a criticism, it is not in the military heroes who give their lives, it is in the statist decisions by our government. But he would never criticize the government, but he is a leftist, socialist worm.

#232 Typical Democrat

If Obama had a son he'd look like this nonhetero

#233 That would be YES

Maybe you're wrong about that, Chris? Ummmm, yyyyyeah, I think you would be correct. You are VERY wrong.

#234 Chris is a Douche!

Chris is a Douche!

Der Unibrowser

#235 Chris is a Douche!

Chris is a Douche!

Der Unibrowser

#236 Hey Chris! Freedom was never FREE!

Men and women died for you to be able to let vomit spew from your stupid mouth!

Thank you so much to the men and women of the military of this great UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

#237 Freedom isn't free, as a reminder

Just another joker that thinks freedom is 100% free, for the asking. Earning freedom? Not necessary.

Not only have I studied enough history to know better, I've known enough vets to know better. And now I face a veteran every time I look in the mirror in the morning.

Mr. Hayes can kiss my ass (and along the way, those of the other vets out there).

To all of the vets out there, and more importantly to those of you who are related (in any way) to one or more who gave all in service to their country, have a good Memorial Day.

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

#238 A few more reminders - heroes, all

This brave little guy's dad was a hero.

James John Regan was a hero.

2nd Lt James Cathey was a hero.

And so many- so many others.

#239 Thank you BK.

All three of these brought me to tears. The deepest feelings are sometimes the hardest to express in words.

#240 The problem with MSNBC is

The problem with MSNBC is that its personnel have always been physically proximate to a full toilet bowl.


I'm sure this guy is uncomfortable changing his tampon also...

#242 Welcome to the future of mainstream news.

Chris Hayes is a perfect example of a brainwashed lemming churned out by our leftist universities. It's only going to get worse.

#243 After they washed his pea

After they washed his pea sized brain they forgot to put it back after it dried.

#244 You sure?

I was pretty hot that day?

Seek Truth, Defend Liberty

#245 chris hayes

You are beneath contempt...when I listened to your very poorly delivered snide and idiotic opinion on why fallen soldiers should not be called heros you exposed the ignorant, arrogant and shallow character that all you lunatic libs have in common. My son fought for YOUR freedom in Iraq (literally), you arrogant, selfish, empty vessel. Who raised people of your generation? Your parents taught you the same thing that children in extreme poverty learned....nothing matters except yourselves...take everything for granted and expect to be taken care of when bad things happen. Well, go to hell! You don't GET to have an opinion on anything about our military and our national defense policies or anything regarding our freedom. Just go back to your little apartment and your cozy bed and wake up the next morning oblivious to reality....and the sacrifice that heroic people gave to keep America free....yes, even self centered people like you.


#246 Twitter bash

If anyone cares, Hayes is getting an @$$ whooping over at twitter. I'm starting to love twitter.

Proud member of the 53%!

#247 Yeah, I just recently got into this whole twitter thing

a few weeks ago. The Highlight for me so far was getting responses from Joan Walsh, Alec Baldwin trashing my screen name and calling me a "right winger", and NBC's hopeless Sean Penn drooler Ann Curry. I give these idiots hell on a daily basis and will not relent until we have won the war of ideology.

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets". - Robert DeNiro, Taxi Driver (1976).

#248 What is your name on Twitter?

What is your name on Twitter? I find it to be a great tool to push back at these libturds like Hayes.

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." President Ronald Reagan

#249 Twitter name

I'm @djwolf76, The Hand Of Doom. I AM the vast Right Wing Conspiracy. I have been exposing liberals for Extreme Hypocrisy and Marxist Tendencies since 12/29/1976.

From the Swamps of New Jersey

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets". - Robert DeNiro, Taxi Driver (1976).

#250 I love Twitter when the conservatives

take over a lib hashtag, like describe Obama in three words. Sooo much fun.

Proud member of the 53%!

#251 So true Rad. And seeing the

So true Rad. And seeing the responses of the libs is priceless. We pWn them everytime. :-)

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." President Ronald Reagan

#252 Cool, following you right

Cool, following you right now.

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." President Ronald Reagan

#253 First things first

I offer my heartfelt thanks to all military, veterans and current members, for what you do, and have done, for this country.

And now on to Chris Hayes:

Yes, Chris, rhetorical proximity has caused countless wars down through recorded history.


Secondly, if you are uncomfortable called military personnel "heroes", then don't.

Feel free to take a vow of silence from this point forward.


#254 Nobody is watching, anyway

Check out the ratings on MSNBC and NBC and see not only are they nowhere, they are losing what is left (no pun intended). This coverage only gave them exposure .....which they do not deserve. The only good part of this organization is CNBC. Otherwise they are rotting in the sun tripe.

#255 Their boat has been sinking

Their boat has been sinking for a long time and this little turd just pulled the plug. Bye, Bye BSNBC!

#256 Memorial Day 2012

Memorial Day 2012

As with some other American holidays, the significance of Memorial Day has been largely forgotten and seriously diminished.

Today, the Fourth of July is rarely recognized as our celebration of independence from England after a long, bloody revolution. It has become a day to socialize with friends, neighbors, and relatives, scarf down burgers, hotdogs, and potato salad, attend a parade with lots of firetrucks, and watch illegal fireworks.

Christmas, a national holiday in observance of the birth of Jesus Christ, has devolved into a national shopping frenzy culminating in extravagant gift-giving, another eating orgy, and then figuring out how to pay the credit card bills.

Aside from Martin Luther King Day and Thanksgiving, little notice is given by too many people as to why we are able to sleep in and not go to work on holidays.

Memorial Day, formerly Decoration Day, is now the kickoff to forthcoming summer pleasures rather than a somber recognition of the tens of thousands of men and women who have died in service to our country over the past 223 years.

There’s certainly nothing wrong in celebrating but being festive while ignoring the fundamental purpose of the festivities is unseemly, if not un-American.

On Memorial Day 2010, President Barack Hussein Obama chose to show his contempt for America’s war dead . . .
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#257 98...

You haven't been 86'd for blog flogging yet? Will wonders never cease...

_____________________________________________________________ I'm not too drunk to dance! It's just that people keep stepping on my hands!

#258 Very well stated! At least

Very well stated!

At least Obama didn't disgrace the memory of the fallen HEROES by going to Arlington, he let Joe Buffoon disgrace them.

#259 The particular stupidity of liberal host

Forget, for a moment, the point that proximity of rhetoric does nothing to justify war, assuming this is his absurd point, Hayes says nothing to explain how honoring heroism in battle, a point he concedes, justifies war. He seems to not understand the difference or even the point he's trying to make.
Adding further insult to the viewers' injury he half stumbles into a rebuttal to his point and makes clear his wanting to avoid disrespect of fallen soldiers, saying nothing of the soldiers still protecting us, an admission too late in proximity to his previous rhetoric to be taken seriously. It reminded me of a movie scene, when the half-witted Ricky Bobby goes begins insulting the owner of his racing team, then justifies it by framing his insults with all due respect.
The only saving of his face would come from his audience who probably didn't understand his point either.

#260 Chris Hayes is uncomfortable calling fallen military heroes

While I, on the other hand, am more than comfortable calling him(?) a fallen journalist!

91201 Man

#261 pansy "urinalists"

Obviously this mensch has never been shot at. Just being under fire and holding your cool is heroic enough for me.

#262 Too true

But I remember a few times blowing my cookies a couple of hours later.

The Obamination must go!

#263 pansy "urinalists"

Obviously this mensch has never been shot at. Just being under fire and holding your cool is heroic enough for me.

#264 Coward

I think this guy probably is uncomfortable calling himself a heterosexual.

#265 MSNBC

While trying to hire the best candidates for their miserable show, I am sure that the staff at MSNBC looked at his educational credentials and were impressed with his academic achievements.
However, as a man, you should know which end of your wang the liquid comes out of. Obviously he has it turned the wrong way.
If he impregnates himself, he has only himself to blame.

#266 To be perfectly honest....

I am uncomfortable calling Hayes an "American".

#267 Excellent! A taste of his own medicine. Nice way of ending

the day.

#268 He may be an American, after all even pediphiles can be...

Americans, but he is definitely not what Sean Hannity would call a "Great American".

I would call him a "left wing nut" American!

Jim Webster

#269 I have difficulty calling

I have difficulty calling this piece of trash a human.

#270 I'm very comfortable calling so-called journalists on...

MESSNBC "propagandists" because that is exactly what they are.

Jim Webster

#271 Uncomfortable?

This Rachel Maddow lookalike appears to be uncomfortable sitting w/out a hemorrhoid pillow.

#272 Sickening!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ironically, the "non-heros" that he refers to have given him the freedom to be an idiot and being an undeserving free American. I wish that morons like this could spend a little time under Taliban rule. This is the reason MSNBC has no viewers.

#273 The Pompousity of Dope

The conflicted liberal.. so afraid that honoring the fallen is giving a green light to the war on Terror that liberals reject so much.. He can't just unabashedly grant the fallen the respect and thanks of a humble man.. no.

He has to wrap it in disclaimers.

I'm sure your Poli Sci professor would be proud.. might even award you the cross of the distinguished moral relativist. How about you set aside your left wing politics and just mourn the lose of young men and women who sacrificed everything.. so you can sit there and worry about parsing your words about their deaths.

he's a dithering putz.

"Evil is powerless, if, the good are unafraid" ~ President Ronald Reagan

#274 "Now With Extra Fruit!"


#275 BSNBC

It's because the people you have difficulty calling heroes that you have the freedom to make such an ass of yourself, you worthless little piece of sh#t!!!!

If Obama had a son he would look lie this turd.

#276 A Soldier's Journey to an Unknown Destination

This memorial day when you think about America’s veterans, think about those who gave their lives for their country, but also think about those who survived and kept on giving. Think of all the positive contributions America's veterans have made to help make their country a better place. Think of all the personal sacrifices so many disabled veterans and their families have made and keep on making. Think of the young men and women who have not yet but will experience what those of us who went before them experienced and how it will change their lives.


#277 chris hayes

I'm uncomfortable calling chris hayes a a human being.


#278 Hayes

OK Lefties, is this really the kind of country you want? Your getting one that you are creating with this kind of thinking. Seriously? You really want to defame and degrade our men & women who have gave their lives to give you rights?

I Miss The United States Of America, It was a great magnificent country until Liberal thinking took over.


#279 Soldiers = defenders of country; pukes like you = enemy

I’m perfectly comfortable calling you a whining, gutless little weasel who couldn’t hold a soldier’s jock.

#280 How do wars start?

Yes Chris, generals throughout history have started wars simply because they wanted to watch soldiers be regarded as heroes. That was the deciding factor. Because, you know, there is never any real reason to have a war. Like, what if they threw a war and nobody came? I mean, there would never have been a World War Two if it hadn't been for all the hero wannabes. Isn't it amazing how people with normal (i.e. less than your) intelligence don't realize that the only reason there has ever been war is either to make money or to make heroes? War is just so silly. Let's not encourage it by referring to the participants as heroes. Maybe if we cancel things that glorify war, like Memorial Day, there will be no more wars!

#281 Give the Term LOW LIFE a whole new meaning

He and his liberal ilk would be the First to Demand the rights others have Fallen for and yet has the nerve to be uncomfortable with the term Hero. He does not know what it takes to face OUR enemy, with bullets flying, and not run, many of us do.
This PERSON, I can't call him a man because it takes Character to be a man, Is the reason our young have no idea of what America is all about and why their freedom is NOT Free..


#282 We Need To Go

We need to go back to the 40's when effeminate aholes like this would be dragged out in the alley and have his a$$ kicked. The beat cop walking by would be told what he said and would grin and keep going. I am at my wits end listening to these people they truly need to be roughed up. They don't understand anything else. They are deathly afraid of the Mooslims you know why? Fear of retaliation.


Hayes is married to Kate A. Shaw, Associate Counsel for President Barack Obama and daughter of award-winning Chicago journalist Andy Shaw, who has also appeared a number of times on MSNBC.[12][13] Hayes and Shaw resided in Washington, D.C., until they moved to New York City, where Up with Chris Hayes is produced.[14] Their daughter, Ryan Elizabeth Shaw-Hayes, was born in November 2011.[15] Hayes's brother Luke is a Democratic political operative.
Hayes has never served the USA.

Loren R Kallwick

#284 Chris Hayes...

just another observation...Here is another PIG in the Liberal Wallow.

God Bless our past and present Military Personnel and those that gave are all HERO`s.


#285 As a Conservative, I applaud Hayes' comment

First of all, I find Hayes' comments disgusting. Later today I will visit my grandfather's grave. He was awarded a Purple Heart and Bronze Star. I will say a prayer of thanks for him and all those who served this country honorably. They will always be heroes to me!

Secondly, I will remember that these heroes fought for the right of free speech. I will not diminsh their service and sacrafice by abridging someone else's freedom of speech, regardless of how I feel about what is being said.

Finally, I applaud those on the left who, in uncharacteristic fits of candor, state plainly for all to see and hear the foundational principles of liberalism. Liberalism's only hope of success is to dress it up in the trappings of popular culture - Hollywood and mainstream news have carried its water for decades. However, when the core of liberal ideology is exposed it quickly shrivels and dies like mildew exposed to the sun. So I say in this vitally important election year to liberals everywhere - Speak how you REALLY feel! Let it all out! Stop the fog machine of popular culture so you and your backers come clearly into focus as the power hungry socialists you really are!

adapt, adopt and improve

#286 Here's what will happen...

Chris Hayes will start to feel the heat over this. He will then say he was "taken out of context".

However, Tina Brown called Joe Biden a "hero" for his remarks about homosexual marriage: As for the bumbling Vice President, "I think frankly [Obama] stumbled into it because of Joe Biden. The hero of the hour is Joe Biden, right? But I think once [Obama] realized that this was a bus that was now moving, that he did grasp it and did the right thing."

How sick are liberals? Voice approval for homosexual marriage? You're a "hero".

Give your life for your country? Not so much. 

#288 Freedom

Funny how he has trouble calling them heroes, yet they are the very people who give him the freedom to make such stupid comments.

#289 MAYBE you're wrong?

"But it seems to me that we marshal this word in a way that is problematic. But maybe I'm wrong about that."

huh--ya think?

this is almost more annoying than just coming out and saying "I refuse to call them heroes." Hayes is pretending that he's going through some big moral dilemma. ('rhetorical proximity' my Aunt Fanny.)

#290 Arrogance meets ignorance!

These guys always think they're the smartest ones in the room...makes me sick.

He misses the point completely. The mere fact that these brave men and women are willing to put on the uniform, knowing they could end up in harm's way, knowing they may very well lay down their lives for the rest of us, is reason enough for ALL of us to think of them as heroes. And I don't give a rat's ass, Chris Hayes, if you are "uncomfortable" pompous boob!

Where did they find this guy? Is this Olberman's nephew??

Read more from Michael Daxe at


I wonder if this genius has ever wondered why it is and who paid the price so that he can say things like this....

Keep talking, liberals!!!

#292 That's funny.

Hey, I'm uncomfortable calling this pussy a news man so we're even now aint we.

#293 Bring Back the Draft

This Chris, along with the one whose leg tingles, provide the best argument I've heard for Universal Military Training.

A person who has not experienced military service should not have the effrontery to opine about either the life style or the causes for war. They haven't earned the 'right to speak' on those subjects. (That's a polite way of saying they don't know what they're chattering about.)

#294 Boycott MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CNN, CBS

If Obama had a son, he would look like Hayes.

Folks, I just heard the best news of the day on talk radio. The stock price of New York Times is down to $6.55, and at one time it was around $48. And, and, the unbelievably giddy part about this situation is that the NYT workers are complaining about their retirement packages, it seems like they will be losing hundreds of thousands of dollars because for one part, declining circulation. Seems it's been going down for 13 straight years. So now as Rev Wright likes to say, the Times' chickens have come home to roost. The most-liberal, America-hating, treasonous news media in the U.S. is experiencing the same problems that lots of other companies across the country are. Just like GM who caved into the unions and promised ginormous retirement packages, in some cases allowing people to retire at almost full wages after 30 years, and 18 year-old could retire at 48. Yep, all those union workers who demanded that the company pay for all medical, and give them 12 weeks vacation a year (the steel companies), are now finally finding out that it is not sustainable.
The Times' workers have put out a 6 minute video complaining about their situation, but they still don't see the irony.
Hey New York Times, here's some solace: Bears made a lot of money shorting your stock from $48 to $6.55, perhaps it was some of your own employees who saw the writing on the wall.

#295 Boycott?

I thought they only had 4 viewers each? Who knew?

#296 The NYT is in a death spiral,

The NYT is in a death spiral, economically and journalistically. Here's a New York Magazine article (h/t Drudge) that maps out details of the shenanigans going on inside the Old Grey Lady.

"This is not your mother's Democratic Party"--Andrew Breitbart, CPAC, February 2012

#297 Let's send this yahoo packing

The most dangerous thing this jerk has ever been near is the rear end of his boy friend.

#298 MSNBC's Real Hero

MSNBC defines a real hero as being a OWS kid who kraps on cop cars, rapes girls, and stabs cops. Now THAT is a REAL HERO to MSNBC... those guys who go off to fight wars in other countries.. bah... just a bunch of thugs.

#299 Were It Not for a Lot of Heroes...

Hayes would be uttering his stupid comments in German....or Russian.

On second thought -- the Germans or the Russians wouldn't have let him.

#300 Chris Hayes: a highly paid zero dweeb!

Sadly, this "man" has done nothing in his life except "think about stuff" (he has a degree in philosophy from Brown). [No, I won't say a thing about ~gag~ "philosophy degrees" or about ~gag~ "Brown."]

He worked for The Nation and replaced that horrid David Corn. He was mentored by that horrid Rachel Maddow.

His wife is one of Obama's lawyers (I wonder what she is covering up for the Kenyan clown)? According to wiki, his brother is a Dem official! Chris, with his wimpy weak face (looks like a girl) has done absolutely nothing and does not even know that he does not know what he does not know. (And never will, at the rate he's going.)

I really, really, really, wish that zeros like Chris could be forced into at least a year of military training (for their own sakes; it would help them "get it" since they have no clue and never will. At his current rate, he will only grow into a nasty old man who has done nothing and will never know what he does not know. In fact, he believes that he is very, and highly, intelligent. Too bad that he has brought a wife and daughter into the mix before he did anything; it's now too late and we can't break up a family (or make a child suffer) because her "daddy" is a fool. His only "brush with life" was to have a daughter (with a hyphenated name) and he will learn little to nothing from her.

What a shame that he was raised to be a pompous, arrogant, judgmental, zero and to believe that that is enough to get through life! His Leftist parents failed him; but flattered themselves.

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