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Larry O'Donnell Again Attacks Romney's Religion

Larry O'Donnell makes a living attacking Mormonism. We noted years ago how he lambasted the LDS church as "demented" and "ridiculous."  The MSNBC host was at it again tonight.

On this evening's Last Word, O'Donnell dismissed Mormonism as a religion "invented" by its founder, Joseph Smith, for purposes of excusing his infidelity.  O'Donnell sneeringly added that Mitt Romney "says his believes" in his religion. View the video after the jump.



Watch the "progressive" O'Donnell's intolerance on display. Think he's ever treat the religion of, say, a Muslim candidate in such demeaning terms?

LARRY O'DONNELL: Now part of Romney's religion problem is that he's a part of a new religion. Established religions like Judaism, which is about 4,000 years old, and Christianity, which is about 2,000 years old, don't easily warm up to new religions like Romney's, which is only 182 years old. Mormonism was created by a guy in upstate New York in 1830 when he got caught having sex with the maid and explained to his wife that God told him to do it.  Forty-eight wives later, Joseph Smith's lifestyle was completely sanctified in the religion he invented to go with it.  Which Mitt Romney says he believes. 

Comments

#1 Does this slob

know that the Democratic Senate Majority Leader is also a Mormon? And Harry Reid wasn't born into a Mormon family, he joined the Church as a college student.

#2 If O'Donnell only knew ...

... that Jon Huntsman, the liberal media's favorite "conservative" outside of David Brooks, is also a Morman.

Of course this was all predicted 4 years ago when discussion of a certain candidate's religion and Church was deemed to be unimportant and out of bounds.

metaphorsbwithu

#3 'My muslim faith'

Ah yes - and we all remember how Obama bungled that TV interview in which he boasted to the world that there was 'nothing more important than my MUSLIM faith!'

And the liberal media interviewer had to run to his rescue in a screaming panic. 'Mr. Obama - you meant CHRISTIAN faith, right? RIGHT???'

'Oh.... uh... yes. Christian faith. That's what I... meant to say.'

If a Liberal/Democrat politician/media figure wants to put their arms around you, or pat you on the back, all they're doing is looking for a good place to stick a knife.

#4 Pathetic

What a pathetic piece of work. Msdnc is getting lower by the minute. How can any company/business advertise on such a repulsive network. Does this jerk ever have any crediable thing to say?

#5 This guy looks a lot like

This guy looks a lot like Niles Crane from the old comedy show 'Frasier', and comes across the same way. Arrogant, pretentious, snooty and insolent.

Only difference is, the Niles Crane character was amusing - this guy is just obnoxious.

If a Liberal/Democrat politician/media figure wants to put their arms around you, or pat you on the back, all they're doing is looking for a good place to stick a knife.

#6 Crazy Larry strikes again

This is good timing for such a post, as I just re-watched the video of this cretin and his beyond pathetic shouting down of John O'Neill from the Swift Boat vets back in 2004:

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/lawrence-odonnell-screams-swift-boat-veteran...

It's fairly obvious to me that Larry has serious anger issues; look up any interview he's ever done with someone who isn't a far-left socialist like him and the man comes across as a completely unhinged psychopath. He is quite possibly the most deplorable on-air personality pervading MSDNC, and I don't need to remind anyone that is no small task.

Republicans believe that every day is July 4th. Democrats believe that every day is April 15th. -Ronald Reagan

#7 October surprise?? Take -2

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/raid-on-mormon-sect-frees-children/2008...

Come on MSM did it in 2008....

The good thing is that Romney will be running against a Shanghai ster.

I'm with Sarah on this one.

#8 O'Donnell's religion is Liberalism and he worships the God...

of Big Government. At least Romney has a legitimate and recognized religion.

Jim Webster

#9 Romney's religion

Yes, it a double standard but like it or not this idiot host actually is making a valid point here. Most people don't know anything about Joseph Smith or Bring em Young and you can bet MSM will be putting out a little education in days to come. Because Mormonism IS ridiculous it will be devastating. Republicans couldn't see this coming?

Larmeister

#10 Religion

@ljj

You do not have to accept my religion. You do not even have to like it. But I am sick and tired of trolls like you and O'Donnell attacking us for our beliefs.

Go away! We are tired of your bigotry and hatred.

#11 I missed the part where you were personally attacked.

Where was that, exactly?

Look, like it or not, if Romney is the GOP nominee Mormonism is going to be scrutinized like never before.

--Mike

#12 One would have thought Rmoney and company...

...would have thought this one through. His religion will be put through the ringer. And a lot of the peculiar beliefs they have will be brought out into the light.

v

The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

#13 Keep talking...............

So what genius, he should have disavowed his religion to make "people like you" happy?

If you make poverty easy, you will have more of it. Benjamin Franklin

#14 As with any viewpoint...

...if you hold it dearly, you should be prepared to defend it.

Romney has dodged and darted away from most any religion-based questions posed to him, at least to my knowledge.  The questioning will only get more insistent as the months go by, if he is the nominee.

Oh, that the same could be said regarding Obama and his ethnocentric liberation theology.

--Mike

#15 Romney has dodged and darted away from most...

Romney has dodged and darted away from most any religion-based questions posed to him...

But that won't stop the media from asking Rmoney AND themselves these questions (of course Rmoney won't answer them but the media's experts will!).

  • who gets to go to each of the three heavens, and who to hell?
  • who is Moroni and the Nephites, and how did they get to the United States as the lost ten tribes of Israel?
  • what is the fate of Mormon woman upon entering into heaven?
  • did the Father God of Jesus have a 'father' who had a 'father' who had a 'father'...?
  • why for the majority of the time did Mormon religion not allow blacks? 

...and these will just be the starters!

v

The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

#16 You are funny in an ignorant sort of way V

Bush 43 spoke more about his beliefs than Romney ever has done....or will do I imagine. It is obvious that you have not done your homework about Mormon beliefs from the questions you have put forward concerning what they believe. Have you delved into the history and tenants and lawlessness of Christianity or its many break away sects that evolved out of Catholicism? Do you blame the Christian Obama for previous "Christian" episodes of dishonor?

I am an atheist, but I will not judge any persons religious beliefs as they have zilch effect on me. If you were an honest opponent of Romney, you (and the MSN) would argue the secular beliefs of Romney rather than religious beliefs.

#17 What you may be confused about is...

...that Jesus Himself said that not everyone who calls themselves a 'Christian' is one.

Thus Romney, Obama, and all those you lump together in their lawlessness and breakaway sects, may in fact not be any more Christian other than claiming to be.

As believers in Christ, we are told to not judge them as they are already judged, but we are also told to be discerning enough to know when one's claim may be false.

Romney's religion does not line up with traditional fundamental Biblical beliefs. Nor does Obama's.

You as an atheist and them as not really Christians end up in the same boat. As there are only really two religions, man's and God's, there are also only two final destinations. And not because I said so but Jesus Himself, whom I believe.

v

The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

#18 Please

I don't hate anybody. You love and believe Mormonism - fine; but you should try to express the tolerance you demand of others to those who don't accept your beliefs - and quit calling them bigots and haters. Tolerance is a two way street.

The Mormons I have known are all wonderful people and my view is that Romney's religion should not be a disqualification by any means. But as more information gets out on Mormon beliefs, many people will find them and the associated stories to be unbelievable - to the point that they will have doubts about someone who does embrace them as a core belief. That will be a major turn off to the minds of many potential Romney voters.

Larmeister

#19 What religion doesn't have "ridiculous" foundational stories?

An old married couple finally have a baby and what does the guy do? When the boy is 6 or 8, he takes him out into the wilderness and prepares to kill him, because he heard "God" tell him to do it?

Another guy leads a large group of people out into the desert, then goes up onto a mountain and sees a burning bush that isn't consumed by the fire. He says "God" inscribed some rules on stone tablets and told him to take them down to the people below.

Some other guy walked on water, fed thousands with some fish and chips, then pissed off the police so they arrested him, rigged a trial, and executed him. And guess whut? He rose from the dead and showed them, yep!

Or what about that other fellow who sat out in a cave until he heard "Al" somebody talking to him, came back home, picked fights all over the desert, then went to a big city and, while riding his horse, jumped into heaven! Oh yeah, that happened.

Those are the sensible ones. There are others, with eight-armed gods, or monks who plan to kill God when they meet him on the path, or the world carried on the back of a turtle (btw, it's "turtles all the way down," as a follower explained).

And we still haven't talked about the Greek gods or all those Norse gods, yet.

They're all ridiculous (or "religulous," as a modern-day philosopher says).

But your point is well taken: the press will not be reluctant to use the peculiarities of Mormonism to embarrass Romney BECAUSE the strange story involves a white man, sexual behavior, and eventually young children. (Hmmm, sounds like that guy who rode his horse to heaven and back again.)

#20 ~You forgot one

There's that one about a giant, miraculous spontaneous explosion being the source of all matter, and that matter arranging itself miraculously into stars and planets, and life miraculously suddenly coming out of that which is not alive, and miraculously eventually developing from one-celled organisms into highly complex ones, of which one type miraculously somehow became self-aware.

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"

#21 Some other guy walked on water, fed thousands

Some other guy walked on water, fed thousands with some fish and chips, then pissed off the police so they arrested him, rigged a trial, and executed him. And guess whut? He rose from the dead and showed them, yep!

...just about 80% of the United States population agree on this one.  Although, not quite the way you describe it.  Puts you in the minority.

v

Galatians 6:7-10 - Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up. So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith. (ESV)

The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

#22 Very Rude Wierd Chidish and acting 13 - VRWC13

So genius, because someone's religion is a minority religion, that makes your religion superior and above reproach?

I am a Christian and damn proud of it in spite of hateful little maggots like you.

You want to go thump your bible as the all being, go somewhere else hater.

If you make poverty easy, you will have more of it. Benjamin Franklin

#23 If I may ask...

..with a response like yours, how do you come to call yourself a Christian?

You don't like the Bible, you don't think Christianity is any different from any other belief system, you curse at people who disagree with you--how do you reconcile that with being so "darn" proud to be a Christian?

Just curious.

--Mike

#24 '...how do you come to call yourself a Christian?'

...my guess is he is not.

Something Jesus said about knowing them by their 'fruit' and their love.

v

The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

#25 But it does me no injury for

But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. T Jefferson

#26 If given a choice...

...I'll take the religion that was invented by a guy who wanted to have sex with multiple women (and to this day has yet to produce a single terrorist) rather than the one that was invented by a guy who wanted to kill everyone else who refused to follow him.

#27 Larry's just ahead of the curve on this....

believe it or not.

I said months ago that after the media coronated Romney as the nominee the attacks on Mormonism would begin in earnest.

And they will ALL be doing it, not just Crazy Larry.

Of course the attacks will all be disguised as "sincere" questions about the religion, like Mike Huckabee's "innocent"  Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?

And you can kiss the "no religious test" principle goodbye.

The same "journalists" who covered up Barack Obama's connections to Black Liberation Theology to get him elected will openly attack Romney's Mormon credentials to defeat him.

#28 "believe it or not." or like it or not...

MB, I was saying the same. The GOP will lose with Rmoney as the nominee.

It will come down to his religion. It will be scrutinized to the nth degree. And :

  • blacks won't like it
  • woman won't like it, the Ann C. 'swoon' effect will fade
  • evangelicals won't like it
  • middle America won't like it

...my only hope is the pResident will be found out to be unqualified.

v

The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

#29 First bullet point (can I still say "bullet point"?)

You hit a nerve. What happens when a Republican candidate whose religion until only (relatively) recently prohibited black members runs against the first black president?

Oh, man, we'll hear non-stop caterwauling from Chris the Wide Mouth Frog, Ed Schmutz, Jeanne GAROFALO, Randi "Sidewalk Face" Rhodes, and all the rest about the racism of those who oppose the president and conspiracy theories about killing him. And the air will be heavy with pheromones and the erotic scent of an impending national disaster that they are fervently wishing to happen/not to happen. Talk about schadenfreude-to-come.

BTW, GAROFALO is an acronym that means "Go ahead, roll on floor and lick Olbermann"

#30 I think you're right, MB

And the attacks will come from (a) Obama's super PACs and (b) the MSM. The Obama campaign and DNC will avoid making derogatory references to LDS to keep their hands clean, and may even make hollow calls for 'civility' and 'tolerance,' but the others will jump into the game with both feet.

#31 Mormons

I can't honestly give my unqualified approval to any religion that bans alcohol, but, apart from that, I'm convinced that Mormon religious beliefs will probably stand up to about as much scrutiny as mine or anybody else's.

Here's an idea that's just crazy enough to work in America-- how about we let people's religions be their own business, provided they agree not to inflict those religions on the rest of us? Thus far, Romney has not indicated that he will ban alcohol, or make me stop swearing or force me to marry extra women.

Romney's a Mormon for the exact same reason that I'm a Jew and Lawrence O'Donnell is a blithering idiot; we were all born that way.

#32 Mormons

Amen. I never knew exactly what blithering entailed until I saw O'Donnell on some of his interviews (rants?). What a class A Jerk

G_O

#33 Oh great!

Now you're going all gaga on us.
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PS, a reference to a so-called lady and her song.

#34 Would someone please tell me. . .

. . . ANY church that has been more scrutinized than the LDS Church?? We know more about Joseph Smith and Brigham Young than we do Barry Soereto.

Heck, just to throw a wrench in the works - Many antagonists to Christianity say Jesus had more than one wife and several girl friends on the side. Others say he leaned the other way. Many say He was nothing more than a good teacher. . .

Consider the source(s). . .

Repeal the Seventeenth Amendment.

#35 Hmmm?

I have met many Mormons in my life. Every single one has been as good a person as you will ever find.

I dont think folks can compare the deceiving Obama religion, to the faith of the Mormon folks.

I find it very hard to believe that Mitt being a Mormon will have any significant impact of this Race. Further more, I dont think Obama has a chance in this Race, regardless of who is nominated.

O'dumbass can peddle all the bigotry he wants, the folks have had it with these cretins.

Seek Truth, Defend Liberty

#36 I don't get it either

Agreed.

Good families, lots of kids and allah forbid, clean living.

That is too be mocked as somehow being "bad"...

Harry Reid is a Mormon and you could ask the country what his religion was and I BET at least 90 percent would not know.

I despise because he is a jerk, I have ZERO issue with his religion.

If you make poverty easy, you will have more of it. Benjamin Franklin

#37 I forgot

Harry the "Pugnacious Pomegranate" was a Mormon. And you're right, I bet 90% of the population think he's a member of the Church of Green Opportunism, whose bishop is Algorithm.

#38 Why not scrutinize Obama's

Why not scrutinize Obama's religion? He went to a "church" for 20 years. But concedering Obama's history of favoring Muslims and a video of him mocking the Bible, I doubt many American's would vote for a dishonest Muslim, who religion is out to conquer the world and kill the unbeliever etc. etc. if the truth be told. We are not at war with Islam, Islam is at war with us.

Right is never wrong, Left is never right.

#39 You raise a valid point

The more the Left attacks Romney's religion, the more it makes Obama's faith fair game.

I think everytime the media asks Romney to explain aspects of LDS, he ought to declare that both candidates should keep religion out of the Presidential campaign, and refer them to Mormon Harry Reid.

#40 Larry O'Donnell would never say that about Mohammed...

Substitute "M*slim" for "M*rmon" in Larry's monologue. As in, M*h**mad invented a religion that justified his marrying several wives, including a 9-year old.

Larry knows that he would get immediate death threats if he said that about Isl*m. He won't be getting death threats from the LDS church.

#41 A "New" religion?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I would hardly describe a religion that has been around since before man invented the telegraph as "new."

Here's what O'Donnell is forgetting: all those "established" religions were, at one time, "new" and faced quite a bit of "resistance" from people, yet here they are, still around after, in many cases, thousands of years even though they STILL face quite a bit of resistance from quite a few people, especially the secularists. Look at the attacks on Catholicism, for example, that are still occurring today, almost two THOUSANDS years after it became a "new" religion! Mormonism doesn't look to be waning, not in the very least, so, how long would it take for it to become "established" in O'Donnell's mind, I wonder? 1,000 years? 2,000 years, EVER?

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court

Or Anwar al-Awlaki.

#42 Quite sad, actually..

Anyone who has ever read a history book, which excludes most Obama voters, knows that there is no prejudice like a religious prejudice.

#43 Numbers game, How many Mormons are there, in the USA

As we know O'bama will play the Christian card, and the MSM shall expose the "Mormon Jesus", and the choice in the voting booth will be between a cultist and  whatever Christian O'bama.

Is this good enough? Romney's explanation of his version of Mormonism.

1. Need to see him on a beach somewhere, sporting only a swim suit.

2. Must have a Black person as VP.

#44 Im beyond caring any more

Who ever has the R beside his name in November has my vote.

If you're not getting flak, you're not over the target.

#45 Ditto, misterbee241

Hay I posted GO MITT GO on this site way back in 2008....
We know what will be happening in the next few months, need to prepare for it, now.

#46 Larry really

needs to go back to writing TV sitcoms. On the other hand his MSNBC show is pretty funny. And I don't mean funny ha ha.

If you're not getting flak, you're not over the target.

#47 To learn about the “Mormon”

To learn about the “Mormon” religion is very simple; as a former Southern Baptist (for 30 years) myself; I found the LDS Church could and did answer more of the questions I had, even from my childhood. All of our beliefs are in print, which anyone can get. All a person had to do is read them with a clear mind, open heart, and a prayer in their soul for knowledge to know if the material they are reading id true or not.
With that said it is only up to the individual to humble herself or himself to take the next step and request some of the material.
My first and most favorite printed item is: 1st Article of Faith: We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in His Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
If the media wants to make a cult out of a group that believes in such a beautiful beginning of “organized organization bound together for religion.”

CSM ESH, USA, Retired

#48 Nice, subtle reference to your polytheism there.

And there's nothing "humble" about having allegedly heard the Gospel preached for thirty years, only to reject it in favor of a pseudo-Christian cult group, thanks.

--Mike

#49 Thanks for the prejudice

We usually only get that from the left.

Proud member of the 53%!

#50 Facts are a problem for you, then?

And how is it "prejudice" to make a factual statement?

I know it's easier for so many people to call names rather than study up on an issue, but seriously, "prejudice"?

--Mike

#51 Yes, you're starting again.

Never assume I haven't "studied up" on something. It once again shows your ignorance.

Proud member of the 53%!

#52 ~Also, his arrogance and condescension

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Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"

#53 It's easier to call schoolyard names...

...than to discuss what's becoming an even-more-significant issue in the campaign.  How very, very conservative of you both to studiously avoid sober conversation and take a page from the "na-na" school of debate.

Oh, and by the way, I'll be voting for Romney if he's the GOP nominee.  Unless Jesus Himself runs, there will never be a perfect Presidential candidate, and ousting the dictator is of paramount importance, so you take what you get.

--Mike

#54 You come very close to violating TOU

With your repeated Mormon bashing. I will not debate the religion, as it is NOT the purpose of this site, and they don't fly planes into buildings to kill people in the U.S.

Proud member of the 53%!

#55 ~Schoolyard names

If someone had called you a poo-poo head you might have a case. Your post to Rad was insultingly condescending and this was pointed out.
Now try to deal with it without your usual "you're not a real conservative and you don't post with your real name" tripe.

The second half of your post I concur with wholeheartedly. Have a nice day.

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"

#56 Call people names enough and they'll stick, is that the thought?

The only thing that "sticks" is the understanding that, in lieu of the ability to discuss an issue, that's the favorite club in you folks' bag.  It's as misguided as a poster above self-identifying as a Christian while choosing to use foul language in his response.

O'Donnell is just as bad for referring to a belief system as "demented" and "ridiculous."  That's worlds away from identifying it as a belief system separate from Christianity.  If I may, the personal invective doesn't exactly comply with the highest NewsBusters standards, so perhaps any subsequent posts from you could be issue-oriented.  

When people post misleading information, as Edward Hanson did, they should expect it to be challenged, highlighted, and corrected.  He articulated that Mormonism, in its own doctrinal declaration, is polytheistic, yet should be considered part of Christendom.  Christianity is monotheistic.  There's a crucial difference.  And it's one that will come to be magnified as the Presidential campaign continues--with someone who has a polytheistic, Christ-dishonoring belief system running against someone who believes that Calvary was a blunder because there are "many paths" to God.

--Mike

#57 Bratton

I'm not sure about your foul language reference, but I don't see anything I posted with foul language.

Secondly, your comment, pseudo-Christian cult group, was extremely disrespectful, insulting, and not a challenging or correcting statement. Again, it violates term of use to bash religions. All I did was refer to your prejudice against Mormonism, which is there for all to see whenever it comes up.

Your sanctimonious prattle is a disservice to all conservatives who can respect the beliefs or non-beliefs of others under our system of government.

Proud member of the 53%!

#58 Any time you'd like to discuss an issue, that would be great.

The reference to foul language was in a post from another contributor; if you'll scroll up, you'll see what I mean.  While your language is not exactly "foul," neither is it anything that facilitates mannered conversation.

Bashing a religion would be to say that it's full of idiots, bloodthirsty savages, or the like.  To identify a group as "pseudo-Christian" is to identify that, while portraying itself to the public as a Christian group, examination of its core tenets reveals that it is not.  Mormonism is such a group, as are the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Westboro groups, as two other examples.  

The technical term "cult" was best defined by Walter Martin: "A cult, then, is a group of people polarized around someone's interpretation of the Bible and is characterized by major deviations from orthodox Christianity relative to the cardinal doctrines of the Christian faith, particularly the fact that God became man in Jesus Christ."  Mormonism does not believe that Jesus is both the Son of God and God the Son, the Second Person of the Triune Godhead; if you don't believe me, ask adherents and they'll tell you the same thing.  Such a belief is antithetical to Christianity.

As has been established previously, it violates nothing at NewsBusters to discuss religion in a political context--particularly when a NewsBusters article highlights a given belief system.  What is a violation, as has again been established, is hyperbolic personal derogation in lieu of a focused response.  Between now and November, Mormonism is going to get a lot more attention--having accurate information about the group is hardly a bad thing.

And a "prejudice," according to Merriam-Webster, is "an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge."  That would define your responses, "Radical," and other similar ones; you have no grounds, and insufficient knowledge of the issue at hand, to responsibly make the statements and hold the opinion you hold.  

Again, if you (or any similarly-minded poster) would like to discuss the issue rather than toss unfounded insults, that would be great.

--Mike

#59 I think NB's is a

Cult,,,,, so what's your point?

Seek Truth, Defend Liberty

#60 Hey Boudin*

That's all he does is .....point.

#61 Well you sure live up to your reputation

Regardless of the definition you prefer, the definition of cult can be found here, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult

Discussing religion is not against TOU, bashing it is. Calling a religion a cult because you don't approve of it is bashing that religion. As I said, you walk close to the edge, which you must recognize as you are now walking it back.

And again you are called me ignorant? Really dude, you need to grow up and realize you will be punished one day for your pride. You don't know me, my background, my range of knowledge or experience. So crawl back into the hole with the other bigots and try not to live up to the lefts idea of conservatives, although it will be difficult.

And I have no interest in discussing anything with such an insulting and narrow minded individual.

Proud member of the 53%!

#62 Ditto Ms Rad*

Every word. And didn't we have this exact same discussion with the fat sack of Mke Bratton back in the forums waaay back? My memory is not that good but I have a strong sense of deja vu.

#63 Engaging in reasonable discourse, on the other hand...

...seems to be something of a challenge for you; though not as bad as others, borrowing their unfortunate terminology isn't the best move.

--Mike

#64 Mis-framing a discussion is poor form, ma'am.

My "approval" of Mormonism has never been at issue, thanks.  It is a cult because it meets the objective definition of a cult, not because I don't like it.  It's not "prideful" to call a spade a gardening implement.  However, it is judgmental to suggest I'll be "punished" for something I'm not doing.

And the only negative "reputation" developed about me around here is from those who don't like to discuss the issue when it is brought up, preferring instead to lob the verbal Molotovs from the tall grass of their online pseudonyms.  

It's easier to call someone a "bigot" than to engage in a conversation, apparently.  And I know from your responses that your have insufficient information about the topic at hand to make such broad, sweeping, inaccurate pronouncements.  That doesn't make you "ignorant," but it does portray ignorance of the subject matter; of course, it's much easier to gin up some outrage pretending I said the former when I actually said the latter.

--Mike

#65 Oh look at that.

The fat sack of Mike Bratton is calling Mormonism a big fat fakey cult that worships bunnies and makes big stone heads that face east, the direction that Mike Bratton farts as per the practices of Mike Bratton's religion, Mike Bratton's Big Shiny Mirror. Four times a day Mikey, kneel down and kiss the image in your mirror.

Yeah Mikey, your "real" religion of worshipping the image in your mirror is so much better than those stupid Utahans. Stupid culty Utahans with their stupid dusty mirrors that don't show images of the fat sack of Mike Bratton.

I don't like your religion Mikey. I don't think it is any better than any other one out there. I think it is a big fat fakey cult group.

#66 Does that ever work, whoever you are?

I mean, even once?

Have you ever had anyone say "Hey, whoever you are, your incessant stalking and name-calling has encouraged me to reassess my point of view on the issue under discussion.  Thanks for your Tourette's-esque diminutions and derogations--why, without them, I wouldn't have come over to your clear, level-headed way of thinking!"

I'm guessing you haven't seen much of that type of success, if any at all.  It's just a suggestion, but actually talking about an issue online instead of rabidly, anonymously attacking someone who doesn't share your sclerotic worldview could be a refreshing change of pace for you.

I know you don't act like that in real life, so perhaps you might at least thing about my suggestion for online, hmm?  Give it a try sometime.

--Mike

#67 Yes. I am stalking you Mikey.

Once a year I catch you spewing hate on the Mormon religion and respond and that is stalking and I am so ashamed.

And back at you Mikey. You act like this out in meatspace? Make up lies about monkeypeople stalkinz you. Here is a thought. Knock it off with the whiny lies whenever you get called out for your noxious bigotry when it comes to a religion you don't like. Try that in real life. hmmmm? Give it a try sometime.

--Mork from Ork.

#68 Well, nanu-nanu to you.

Nice to see you finally signing your posts.

And I loved your work in The Fisher King.  Thought you should've gotten an Oscar for that.

--Mike

#69 Nice of you to ignore the fact you are a lying snit.

Uh-oh. I responded to your post. We know what that means --- STALKERZ!!!! ELEVENTY!!!!!

#70 Name one.

Just one.  You know, "lie."

Be specific, and then provide the information that refutes something I've said.

And no words that end in "z," unless they're spelled that way normally--you know, like "blitz," "waltz," or "kibbutz."

--Mike

#71 No.

Monkey don't jump today.

Pack sand. Pack it tight. Leave it smooth.

#72 You know, Robin, I didn't realize how much...

...your work with Nathan Lane in "The Birdcage" affected you.

Looking back, though, I do detect a theme in your posts.  Interesting.  Didn't realize you were a Method actor.

--Mike

#73 Whatever.

Play your troll games.

Once again, I will link back to the point I made and the one Fat Sack ignores.

Once a year I catch you spewing hate on the Mormon religion and respond and that is stalking and I am so ashamed.

You made the outlandish claim that I STALK you, Fat Sack. Back it up. Or piss off.

#74 Did you participate in the thread before you came after me?

By your own admission, no, you did not.

It seems like an obsession with you (never mind your obsession with the output end of the alimentary canal), particularly since your bluster has none of its intended effect.

--Mike

#75 Looks like Fat Sack is now redefining words.

The new definition of stalk as presented by Fat Sack of Mike Bratton

stalk: failing to get the permission of Fat Sack of Mike Bratton prior to posting in a thread.

Up yours Fat Sack. I ain't a monkey that needs your permission before pointing out what a vicious lying and slurring turd you are.  

And Fat Sack can't understand other words have more than one meaning. Fat is an adjective that describes Sack, Fat Sack of Mike Bratton. It has nothing to do with alimentary no matter how much you try to redefine words to fit your own narrow needs.

fat - 2a : well filled out : thick, big (a fat book)

Hey Fat Sack of Mike Bratton, is the book obsessed with alimentary canals too?

Fat Sack of Mike Bratton spends half of his posts here calling others stupid in one way or another and yet displays his fat truckload of Stupid with his every post to me.

#76 Obama acting like an anti-Mormon preacher....

It has to be said. Obama, and the liberal left in general, are acting exactly like anti-Mormon preachers. Especially in the earlier days of the church, anti-Mormons were extremely aggressive and violent mob-raisers. And they had a very specific pattern they followed.

Think like 'Gaston' from the Disney movie 'Beauty and the Beast'. When he wanted to kill the Beast, he started scaring the villagers with horror stories that were totally made up, but which preyed on primal fears. 'The Beast will make off with your children! He'll come after them in the night! We're not safe until his head is mounted on my wall!' And the sheep villagers (under the thrall of the script writers) fell for it like a ton of bricks.

Anti-Mormon preachers and mobbers were the same. They would paint horrible tales of demon-horned Mormons abducting their family members, or seducing them with their horrible doctrine. The usual stuff. Mormons killed innocent people, tortured folks for fun, and engaged in sexual deviancy that was considered dubious at any level. They even got the governor of Missouri to pass an illegal order of 'extermination', saying it was OK to kill anyone in Missouri who was a Mormon.

And Obama is following the pattern to a T. All you have to do is swap out the word 'Mormons' with 'Republicans', and you get a speech exactly like what he delivered the other day. Republicans want to pollute the air, the water, your food. They'll push your grandma off a cliff, they'll cause rapes and murders, they'll make sure you don't get storm warnings and die from hurricanes and tornadoes, and.... oooh, all kinds of HORRIBLE stuff.

And God bless Mr. Obama - he paints himself as the champion of the people, holding the door of escape open just a crack so you can see a tiny stream of that healthy light beyond. And he's not afraid to stand up to them big, bad Republicans, who are lurking out there in the bushes just waiting to snuff him out.

It's a tactic as old as time. The Jews did the same thing to Jesus, painting him as a 'malefactor' to the Roman potentate, causing 'sedition'. Pilate said to them, 'Shall I crucify your king?'

Any bets that the liberal media will soon be chanting 'We have no king but Obama'?

If a Liberal/Democrat politician/media figure wants to put their arms around you, or pat you on the back, all they're doing is looking for a good place to stick a knife.

#77 Criticize Islam?

And get away with it? No, Mr. O'Donnell, you would face death threats for insulting the religion and you know it. That is why is addition to being a hate-filled liberal loudmouth, you are also a coward. You may as well be speaking Chinese, because followers of the Mormon faith will not give credence to your arguments.

#78 I am an active member of the

I am an active member of the LDS (Mormon) Church. I was diagnosed with stage thee lymphoma three months ago. I am using a fake name to post this information because I am afraid of the repercussions that would come to my family if the LDS church knew I was posting this information. Please, I urge you to get this information out to your pastors and church leaders. My last wish in life is to uproot the lies that the Mormon church leadership has been telling the world over the last 200 years. I am expected to live for only three months longer, and I'm trying to do my best to reverse the damage that the teachings of the LDS church have caused; I know that Jesus will not have much mercy on me for being a dishonest academic, but I can only hope that I save one or two humans souls with this information before I God to receive my punishment. The following information surfaced within the circle of LDS scholarship. The LDS church would have never revealed this information, so I am taking it upon myself to undermine the LDS sect as much as possible before I die.

Three days ago, a Mormon scholar finally leaked the name of the document that Joseph Smith used to formulate Mormon doctrines and beliefs. This document is called the "Hermes Trismegistus" and would have been available in German during the 1830s and 1840s in America. This book is an OCCULT text that deals with the pagan God Hermes. This book was used by the Freemason movement, gnostic and occult Christian types, and mystical practitioners including the satanist Allister Crowley. For those familiar with the Mormon's doctrines of the preexistence, the Adam-God theory of Brigham Young, the Jesus being Brothers with Satan, the Council of the Gods, the three degrees of the afterlife, and basically anything else that Mormons believe that diverges from mainstream historical Christianity. This book was considered to be the "knowledge of the gods" according to the Greeks in 600-560 BC. They claimed that this book was passed down from ancient Egyptians before Noah's flood and was written by the Pagan practitioner "Heremes" who lived, supposedly, during the time of Enoch. This text also reveals many of the "mysteries" and "secrets" of the Mormon's rituals, symbols, and covenants that occur within Mormon temples. If you would like to read this book here is the links:

HERMES TRISMEGISTUS
http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/woe/woe07.htm

THE "BOOK OF THE DEAD"
http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/woe/woe06.htm

EGYPTIAN MAGIC
http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/woe/woe08.htm

THE VISION OF HERMES
http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/woe/woe09.htm

THE STORY OF THE BOOK OF THOTH
http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/woe/woe10.htm

#79 Good morning Janice

Delete

 

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

#80 "Janice"

Thanks for the view from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Proud member of the 53%!

#81 Ms Brown*

Cajun is a breast cancer survivor but since breast cancer is genetic in my family, my chances are not good. Can I ask then due to my condition that everyone vote ABO?

#82 Sure you are, Janice.

We believe you, no seriously, we do, Michelle.

Or, are you another collective, like the Van Damage 2000 collective who posts here?

Anyway, be that as it may, like someone else said, Anyone But Obama. 

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.

#83 Hermetic text continued

The hermetic texts were translated to German when Joseph Smith Sr. was ten years old; in the late 1700s. As an adult, Joseph Smith Sr. owned this text even though nothing in his history points to whether he could read German.

As you may or may not know, Joseph Smith Jr.(the first Mormon Prophet) claimed that German was the most "perfect" language (circa 1840). He made this statement while delivering his well known "King Follett" discourse. During that discourse, every single doctrinal point he argues can be found in "HERMES TRISMEGISTUS". I provided the link to this text in my previous post. In this text, there is a book named "Kore Kosmou" or "The Virgin of the World". This text is referenced in many Freemasonic texts as "the knowledge of the Gods" that was said to have survived the great flood of Noah's day. Freemason's believed this text was written by the pagan Hermes who lived during the time of Enoch. In many Freemason texts you will find what is called an "Emerald Stone" which the stone that Hermes used as a scroll for the safe-keeping of the knowledge of the Gods. This stone is also mentioned in the gnostic gospels found within the Naghamani Scrolls that we discovered in Egypt in the 1940s.

Lastly, comparing the Book of Moses contained in the LDS Pearl of Great Price to the hermetic text "Vision of Hermes." You will no doubt immediately get a sense for how well Joseph was able to translate from German; he did a poor job, but the stories from each text are the same. The names of various Egyptian Gods that Joseph Mentions in the Book of Abraham are of Germanic origin. Scholars for years have argued, "These Egyptian Gods in the Book of Abraham are nowhere to be found in Egyptian history". This is because these names are of German origin and have nothing to do with Egypt.

Freemasons studied these books because they contained the symbolism, rituals, and oaths that were used by pagan sects in Ancient Egypt. These sects worshiped Saturn, Jupiter, Venus, the Sun, the Moon, and the stars. The Freemason symbols for these planets of worship can be found etched into the outer walls of the Salt Lake City Mormon Temple. The most nefarious element of these Hermetic texts is the reference to "Dark Rites" which the Freemasons believed to be a conduit of power and authority from the Gods of ancient Egyptian legends. "Red-covered" Luciferian and Satanist sects of Freemasonry sought out these "Dark Rites" and used them to commit each other to protect their private sector wealth and health at the expense of the "Greater Good". These secret promises were established through "blood oaths", the same blood oaths used in the Mormon temple ceremonies before 1990. Even more telling is the same promises that exist in the temple today are the same promises that were practiced by the "Red-covered" Freemasonry sects. These promise are to give all of ones time, wealth, and devotion, without question, to the organization. The Red-covered masons, to hide their secret oaths, disguised themselves as Christians. They spoke of Christ, they pretended to worship Christ, and they even gave sermons about the importance of helping the "public sector" rather that being selfish to one's own family or private sector. This preaching, however, was a lie as these Freemason sects had all engaged in private oaths of private organizational growth and success that superseded public sector success and health. Its unfortunate that the Mormon church, since its beginnings, has utilized ancient cultist traditions to gain membership fidelity. In the media, the Church has white-washed its history and its doctrines. Just recently they recanted their original doctrine of Jesus and Satan being brothers; however, inside the temple this teaching and doctrine remains. The Mormon church leadership are remaining faithful to the "Red-covered" masonic traditions by lying to the public sector for their own private benefit.

#84 Janice Brown*

Is that one of the names Obama uses for a passport?

#85 Would you care to actually address the information in the post?

Pick a point.  Any point.

--Mike

#86 Mr Bratton*

You know very well that I will not discuss religion with you because of your closed minded intolerence. "Janice Brown" posted a rant that is against NB rules and I will not review nor opine on that either.
But thank you for your instructions SIR!

#87 But it's all right to slur the poster in return?

The poster has to be at least pro-Obama to provide such information--that's your suggestion?

Nice bit of "opining."

--Mike

#88 Poor Mikey. Slurring. Now iz hurt feewingz.

Fat Sack of Mike Bratton busy busy busy with his slurs and lies prior to whining about others slurs

  • ...a pseudo-Christian cult group ...  
  • Facts are a problem for you...
  • How very, very conservative of you...
  • ...take a page from the "na-na" school of debate... 
  • ...that's the favorite club in you folks' bag. .
  • .. your language...is it anything that facilitates mannered conversation.
  • ..."prejudice,"...would define your responses.... ...
  • you have...insufficient knowledge...
  • ...toss unfounded insults...
  • Engaging in reasonable discourse...seems to be something of a challenge for you.
  • ...lob the verbal Molotovs from the tall grass... 
  • your have insufficient information about the topic at hand to make such broad, sweeping, inaccurate pronouncements. 
  • ...portray ignorance of the subject matter...
  • gin up some outrage pretending...
  • ...your incessant stalking... .
  • ..your sclerotic worldview...

#89 I didn't realize you were such a fan, Robin.

And your work in Good Will Hunting was praiseworthy, as well.

--Mike

#90 Whoops.

Slurry talk suddenly disappears. Wonder why? Hmmmmm. Yeah, now iz buddiz-buddiz with all the funniz-ha-haz.

#91 All the quotes are very flattering.

And I'm pleased to hear that I can get a chuckle out of you.

Or should I say "Iz goods to git the laughz from yr face, Mork"?

--Mike

#92 Whatever.

Let's repeat because the Fat Sack of Mike Bratton thinks we are buddies laughing at each other. You see me joking about you, FSofMB?

Here was the point the Fat Sack seems to want to avoid at all costs, with a link back ---

Fat Sack of Mike Bratton busy busy busy with his slurs and lies prior to whining about others slurs:

You, Fat Sack, slur like you just invented it. Then claim offense at someone else.

Pack Sand Fat Sack. Pack it tight. Leave it smooth.

#93 Again, either show the error...

...or continue to posture.

--Mike

#94 Up yours Fat Sack. Ain't my fault you can't read.

Fat Sack of Mike Bratton's LIES and SLURS here in this blog --- 

•...a pseudo-Christian cult group ... 
•Facts are a problem for you...
•How very, very conservative of you...
•...take a page from the "na-na" school of debate...
•...that's the favorite club in you folks' bag. .
•.. your language...is it anything that facilitates mannered conversation.
•..."prejudice,"...would define your responses.... ...
•you have...insufficient knowledge...
•...toss unfounded insults...
•Engaging in reasonable discourse...seems to be something of a challenge for you.
•...lob the verbal Molotovs from the tall grass...
•your have insufficient information about the topic at hand to make such broad, sweeping, inaccurate pronouncements.
•...portray ignorance of the subject matter...
•gin up some outrage pretending...
•...your incessant stalking... .
•..your sclerotic worldview...

And now the LIE that he cannot fathom his own indiscretions, thus demanding an ever higher and higher level of evidence.

#95 Vet,

Isn't it wonderful that our Defender of the Faith,
he who knows the mind and will of God,
he who is guileless before any living creature,
he who played the Stay-Puft Marshmallow man in "Ghostbusters",
our NB resident sociopath,
that virtuoso of verbal masturbation,
and that porcine purveyor of pontifical pornography,
condescends to leave his high and mighty throne to favor us with his erudition and righteousness?

For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me.  As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.

Ian Anderson "Wind up"

#96 Trix & The Vet

Well said to you both.

I really have no interest in hearing about Mormonism until the election. As long as they don't start flying planes into buildings or killing women who have been raped they can worship as they please.

Proud member of the 53%!

#97 Enjoy your circular activities, folks.

Well, since there's three of you, "triangular" might be a better descriptive, but you get the point.

--Mike

#98 Not an indictment of you, huh?

Not an indictment of you, your lies and slurs about another religion and the ladies here. Not an indictment of your insults, oh they are not outright insults like Fat Sack of Mike Bratton, but they are most definitely a sly way of calling others stupid and dumb. Not an indictment of your constant need to put down another religion, and when called on it, your proclivity to turn to calling others stupid and dumb and insulting when they users refuse to debate it with you for the umpteenth, oh my friggin' Lord, the umpteenth time. Not an indictment of your utter refusal to face your hypocrisy went called on it. No, it is us Mikey. It is everyone that reads and responds to your constant lies and slurs.

Yes. That was sarcasm. The complete opposite is true in every case. But you pretend it wasn't and start with the Robin Williams jokey time again. Or start whining about how much better you are than everyone else because you use the now utterly worthless name of Mike Bratton. Or just wander off to defame some other religion. Whatever. We really don't care.

#99 Well that was certainly a crude reference

from someone who considers himself above the rest of us.

Proud member of the 53%!

#100 I'll have to make a confession.

You lost me there.  Couldn't tell you what's "crude" about observing how three people cluck back and forth.

--Mike

#101 Riiiggggghhhhhhtttttt

The "circle" reference had no sexual connotations. Hypocrite.

Proud member of the 53%!

#102 How does a circle have sexual connotations?

Or a triangle, for that matter?

My apologies for having lived an apparently sheltered life.

--Mike

#103 ~Mike Bratton as frigid Victorian spinster

I'll buy that, if only because it's so much fun to envision.

Don't wander too far from the fainting couch; eventually one of the guys will stop snickering and enlighten you.

(now watch him make some snide allusion to how I recognize the reference)

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"

#104 Wrathful,

But of course he'll answer you and still feign ignorance of the "circle".

He makes his living from acting, both from the stage and the pulpit. How could an actor not know what the circle is?

For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me.  As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.

Ian Anderson "Wind up"

#105 But it's all right to slur the poster in return?

FSofMB: But it's all right to slur the poster in return?

Fat Sack of Mike Bratton's LIES and SLURS here in this blog ---

•...a pseudo-Christian cult group ...

•Facts are a problem for you...

•How very, very conservative of you... 

•...take a page from the "na-na" school of debate...

•...that's the favorite club in you folks' bag. .

•.. your language...is it anything that facilitates mannered conversation.

•..."prejudice,"...would define your responses.... ..

•you have...insufficient knowledge...

•...toss unfounded insults... 

•Engaging in reasonable discourse...seems to be something of a challenge for you.

•...lob the verbal Molotovs from the tall grass...

•your have insufficient information about the topic at hand to make such broad, sweeping, inaccurate pronouncements. 

•...portray ignorance of the subject matter... 

•gin up some outrage pretending...

•...your incessant stalking... .

•..your sclerotic worldview...

And now the LIE that he cannot fathom his own indiscretions, thus demanding an ever higher and higher level of evidence.

#106 Still waiting for an evidence of a "lie," whoever you are.

You keep adding to the evidence of stalking other posters in lieu of conversing with them, but I'm still waiting to hear the refutation of anything I've identified as factual being, in actuality, a lie.

No, let me amend that.  You have no substantive refutations, so I will stop waiting on you to even  make a token effort in that regard.

With regard to other posts, yes, isn't it amazing that having a less-than-encyclopedic knowledge of coarse terminology is a bad thing?  Don't know what slang term you're referring to, and I frankly don't care.  It is unfortunate, though, that some of you have watered-down definitions of both masculinity and maturity, definitions far afield from the teachings of Jesus Christ.  

None of you would speak in public the way you write here, I'm confident, but the fact that you feel free to do so when your identities are hidden doesn't reflect well upon you.  Please take time to consider that.

Since you folks have decided to hijack the thread and steer it away from any issue, we're concluded.

--Mike

#107 Phweet.

Don't care Fat Sack. I am not claiming to be holier than thou and then insulting and lying like I just invented it. Sucks being you, huh, Fat Sack. I talk like I want and ain't a damn thing you can do about it. Now go back to slurring everyone that disagrees with you and then calling in Jesus like he gives a rat's turd about your lying and slurring ass.

PS: Yo Fat Sack. I ain't claimed nothing about slang terms. You gettin' all confused about who you are talking to again?

I said YOU lied. I said YOU slurred others by constantly calling them stupid and dumb. And I proved it.

Pack sand Fat Sack of Mike Bratton. Pack it tight. Must suck to be you slurring and insulting people that have no problem calling your meatspace ass a LIAR and a big fat hypocrite that SLURS others and then whines they slur in return.

#108 ~Finally broke out the "whoever you are" crutch

How predictable. Mike Bratton has to attempt to force other posters to argue according to his Rules of Engagement in order to skew the odds in his favor, because The Dude Can't Hang otherwise. He doesn't have a problem with insulting others, as his supercilious, passive-aggressive sneers demonstrate. He has a problem with doing it well, as his supercilious, passive-aggressive sneers demonstrate.
No no, the debate parameters must be altered by declaring the other person's point invalid unless said person is willing to splash his/her name across the internet.

That ain't gonna happen, ever, therefore Mike Bratton wins every argument by default. 

 

In his own mind, that is. Mike Bratton is a legend there.  

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"

#109 You blew it dude.

You used a sexual reference that really cannot be ignored given it's context in your post. All your denials won't change a thing. Every guy and many of the women here know exactly what you were referring to, and you won't convince me that you didn't know. So keep on keep on trying to act superior. We know you for a bigot, a hypocrite, and now a liar.

Proud member of the 53%!

#110 Rad

"You blew it dude". Sorry can't help laughing.

And of course he knows what he said. He ain't foolin' nobody.

"I don't like repeat offenders, I like dead offenders". - Ted Nugent

#111 aahhh I get it now Ms Rad*

Regardless of his demands we use our real names, he is a liar. His real name is Bill Maher..

#112 The poster here

Spouted Off the same nonsense on other places on the web, sometimes using a different alias.

Proud member of the 53%!

#113 Has the information been addressed?

In conversation?  Does "Janice" engage in dialogue?  Or is it merely "here's this"?

--Mike

#114 Why bother?

It's just another small mind trying to discredit Romney on the basis of his faith so Obama wins in November.

Nice way to take the bait though.

Proud member of the 53%!

#115 So truth isn't truth if it adversely affects November?

Hmm.  Learn something new every day.

--Mike

#116 ~^Don't feed the troll, y'all^

.

Obama's WTF 2012 campaign slogan: "A dog in every pot"

#117 Truth? But what does it mean in context

While I have no compunction to defend or support anyone base on their religious affiliation there is important distinctions in the choice of leadership based on religion and that of choice based on qualities of leadership. No doubt that one's religion affects their personality and how they make decisions since it shapes the core of who we are as individuals. However, that is one in a long list of traits that influence the quality of some one's decision making skills.

There is not likely to be a President in my lifetime that will run on a platform of being Agnostic or Atheist though there have been Presidents that by their actions probably fell into these categories. So I will go into every election looking at other qualities in the candidates that define who they are besides the religion they profess. Let us assume that everything you say is correct and Mormonism is a cult - What has that done in the shaping of Romney's character, political acumen and intellectual prowess? He is a dedicated family man that seems to have shared the responsibility of raising his sons who have not been in trouble. He is loyal to his wife. He has had a successful career making tough decisions in the free market system. His political successes have been ambiguous at best due to social issues and excessive compromise. Perhaps this is where his religion hurts him but in that Mormon's are not alone. The Catholics and Jewish communities largely support many socially liberal issues because they can't get away from the idea that government should do what they can to help people. It is a false argument but the truth doesn't sound compassionate.

I am not a big fan of Romney though I do believe he has proven enough to elicit support from Conservatives, Libertarians and Republicans - especially in an election where he is running against Pres. Obama and what has occurred over the past four years. My lack of full support comes from the opinion that if the Congress is won by the Democrats during his tenure that his desire to complete projects and meet the goals set by himself and the party will lead him to compromise too much.

Simply put we have no way to know exactly how his religion effects him personally so we should judge him on his actions, who surrounds himself with and to some extent his stated positions on major issues. As an example - would you use Catholicism as a way of judging Nancy Pelosi?

. . Socialist = Modern Liberal = Parasitoid

#118 Excellent post, Ag.

To respond to your last question: No, Pelosi cannot have her positions quantified or qualified based upon her stated affiliation with Catholicism because she is not a strict adherent.  If she were, her positions on a number of issues would be the polar opposite of what they currently are--abortion being one position that immediately springs to mind.

And to the point of your question, with the level of deflection in which Romney has engaged regarding direct question about Mormonism, we really don't know how strict an adherent to that belief system he is.  Strict adherence to that system opens a different box of problems than cursory adherence, but there are questions that need to be answered.

--Mike

#119 So Mike UB voting for Obama, kuz he goes to a Christian Church.

Ya know If you vote, N'all.

Soo, is Strict adherence is pre 1978...and cursory adherence is post 1978?

BTW..Romney was (and is) extremely happy with "The 1978 Revelation".

Or is it about the wads of cash Romney gives away...

“This is a country that believes in the Bible,” Romney said. “The Bible speaks about providing tithes and offerings. I made a commitment to my church a long, long time ago that I’d give 10 percent of my income to the church. And I’ve followed through on that commitment.”

#120 Perhaps you missed this from just a bit earlier in the thread?

Quoting myself thusly, and like so:

"Oh, and by the way, I'll be voting for Romney if he's the GOP nominee. Unless Jesus Himself runs, there will never be a perfect Presidential candidate, and ousting the dictator is of paramount importance, so you take what you get."

--Mike

#121 OK then, You will be voting for man involved in a Cult.

Is that right?

#122 We will have two choices.

We either vote for the member of a non-Christian group, Mormonism, who isn't interested in establishing a dictatorship, or we vote for the member of a non-Christian group, ethnocentric liberation theology, who is interested in continuing his dictatorship (and, concurrently, his own cult of personality--but that's a different matter entirely).

There is the option of not voting, but that merely aids in the dictatorship continuing.  So, as I've said previously, I will be voting for Romney.  And yes, he is a member of a cult group.  There is no better option available.

--Mike

#123 When exactly did "cult" rise to ,a non-Christian group

 

Come on give me some parameters,

As to how on one thread, a cult transcends into, TA DA a non Christian group.

Slick  kuz now both candidates Churches are in the a non-Christian group...

Ah, why then bring up Mitt's Church on the first place?
A cult, that uses the Bible and has the word "Jesus" slathered on countless, churches, across the planet.
Are you telling me there are no Christians inside? ....

#124 Upcountry,

St. Mindy Bratton the Prophet has spoken. Can you still doubt?

For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me.  As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.

Ian Anderson "Wind up"

#125 Answering question,

I think if you look at the life he leads many of your questions will be answered. 

Unfortunately the questions you may want answered will only lead to more questions and an arsenal of talking points for the media if they are ever addressed directly during the campaign cycle. It is a sad state we currently find ourselves but it is unfortunately true. 

. . Socialist = Modern Liberal = Parasitoid

#126 Since when do we "address" spam?

And it clearly is spam. Spam meaning pasting in large blocks of junk verbatim previously posted on other sites, not cheapchinesepocketbooks.com spam.

#127 After reading this whole thread

After reading this whole thread I can see that the liberals are succeeding in dividing us. I will always have severe theological differences with some religions but in America I can have them in peace and safety.

I will be voting for Romney as president of The United States of America because I believe he will continue to allow freedom of religion. If I don't vote for him the Communist in Charge present in the white house will put an end to freedom of religion, and all other freedoms we have.

Wake up and smell the stink coming from the establishment in D.C.

 

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

#128 Wow

Just wow!!

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