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NBC's Ann Curry to Joe Biden: With No WMD, Can U.S. 'Claim Victory' in Iraq?

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In an interview with Vice President Joe Biden in Iraq aired on Thursday's NBC Today, co-host Ann Curry depicted the war effort there as a failure: "In a war that was started to protect the world from weapons of mass destruction that were never found, can the United States claim victory?" [Audio available here]

Biden agreed with Curry as he took a jab at the Bush administration: "We're not claiming victory. What we're claiming here is that we've done the job our administration set out to do, to end a war we did not start, to end it in a responsible way, to bring Americans home, to end the bleeding, both financially and physically that this war has caused..." [View video after the jump]

In a prior question to Biden, Curry challenged Obama's Iraq policy: "Do you worry that in the rush to fulfill a campaign promise, the Obama administration is pulling out of Iraq too soon?" Biden replied: "This is no rush, Ann. Eight years. This is no rush. Over 4,500 dead, 30,000 wounded. This is no rush."

However, Curry did not follow up by pointing out the failure of the Obama administration to negotiate a deal to allow some U.S. troops to stay in Iraq to ensure stability.

Asking about the President's ability to work with Congress, Curry wondered: "Has he been effective in creating the personal relationships required to lead this country?" Biden used the opportunity to attack the GOP: "...this is not your father's Republican Party. The Republican Party is sort of trying to find its soul. And so I don't think it's personal relationships. I think it's the ability to get a consensus in the Republican Party through the Republican leadership."


Here is a full transcript of the December 1 interview:

7:00AM ET TEASE:

MATT LAUER: Today exclusive. Ann Curry talks to Vice President Joe Biden in Baghdad as the last U.S. troops in Iraq prepare to leave, and he gets emotional as he reflects on his own son's return from a year of service there.

7:13AM ET SEGMENT:

LAUER: Vice President Joe Biden is wrapping up his final visit to Iraq before the U.S. military's withdrawal at the end of this year. Ann traveled to Baghdad with the Vice President and sat down with him for an exclusive interview.

ANN CURRY: How secure can Iraq really be when you, as a vice president, still must arrive under the cloak of darkness, under heavy security?

JOE BIDEN: There still are concerns here in Iraq but if you take a look at it, Ann, violence is down to an all-time low, to all the way back to 2002. We're in a situation where it's been that way for the last year and a half, but there's still the one-off jobs that can occur.

CURRY: There was one just this morning.

BIDEN: Yes.

CURRY: A car bomb with casualties.
                        
BIDEN: Right. And, you know, there are also, you know, there are car bombs in Europe. There are car bombs throughout the Middle East. There's car bombs – I mean, it is – but the idea that there is a sufficient capacity to bring down this government, to fundamentally alter this democratic process that's under way, that no longer exists.

CURRY: Do you worry that in the rush to fulfill a campaign promise, the Obama administration is pulling out of Iraq too soon?

BIDEN: This is no rush, Ann. Eight years. This is no rush. Over 4,500 dead, 30,000 wounded. This is no rush. It's three years since we took office almost. We've done this in a way that no one thought could be done. 144,000 troops when we took office. Now in a position with a highly trained Iraqi military, training their police force. This is no rush.

CURRY: In a war that was started to protect the world from weapons of mass destruction that were never found, can the United States claim victory?

BIDEN: We're not claiming victory. What we're claiming here is that we've done the job our administration set out to do, to end a war we did not start, to end it in a responsible way, to bring Americans home, to end the bleeding, both financially and physically that this war has caused, and to leave in place the prospect of a trained military, a trained security force, under democratic institutions, where the disparate parties are, for the first time, in generations, actually working together. It's not done yet, but there's real hope.

CURRY: What is to prevent Iran from moving in as the U.S. moves out?

BIDEN: There is no possibility of them having the capacity, without the world reacting – not just the United States, the world reacting – if all of a sudden Iran was to move across its border and invade any other countries in the region.

CURRY: You said in your Senate farewell speech, quote, "Personal relationships is the one thing that unlocks the true potential of this place."

BIDEN: I believe that.

CURRY: Has President Obama done enough? Has he been effective in creating the personal relationships required to lead this country?

BIDEN: He has tried very, very hard. He's tried repeatedly with the Speaker. He has tried with the leaders in the House – I mean, in the United States Senate. He meets regularly with the leadership of both. I think most of my Republican colleagues would say and have said that I have strong personal relationships with them. And yet nothing has moved. And the reason is, this is not your father's Republican Party. The Republican Party is sort of trying to find its soul. And so I don't think it's personal relationships. I think it's the ability to get a consensus in the Republican Party through the Republican leadership.

CURRY: You have not yet closed the door on 2016. Are you ready to do that today? Are you running for president?

BIDEN: No, I am never ready to close the door on anything. That's just a foolish thing to do. I learned a long time ago. My dad used to have an expression. He said, "Joe, remember, never argue with your wife about anything that's going to happen more than a year from now, and don't make decisions about anything that's going to happen more than a year from now." I am intent on re-electing Barack Obama President of the United States of America, the rest will take care of itself.

CURRY: When you look in your son's face, a young man who served in this country, served for the United States in its war in Iraq, and you go back to him representing all of the thousands of young men and women who've risked their lives, who've died, who've lost their friends, what do you say?

BIDEN: First of all, I say, "I'm so damn proud of you." I am so incredibly proud of him and these kids, and I say it mattered, it mattered. They straightened out a situation that they inherited. They did it in a way that, this is in my view the greatest generation. This isn't the 'X' generation. This is the exceptional generation. They are amazing. You know, when Beau came home after a year, obviously there was an overwhelming sense of joy and relief, but there was this – all I could think of was those fallen angels whose parents were in Dover to recover their child. I'm sorry. This – anyway, I say to them, be proud of what you did for your country, be proud of the example you showed the world, and, most of all, be proud of how you protected your fellow soldiers.

LAUER: That's Ann's exclusive interview with Vice President Joe Biden. You can see more of that interview tonight on Nightly News.

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#1 weapons of mass destruction that were never found

CURRY: In a war that was started to protect the world from weapons of mass destruction that were never found, can the United States claim victory?

...they moved them to Syria.

btw: it's well known he had them before too: 

During the regime of Saddam Hussein, the nation of Iraq used, possessed, and made efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction (WMD). Hussein was internationally known for his use of chemical weapons in the 1980s against Iranian and Kurdish civilians during and after the Iran–Iraq War. It is also known that in the 1980s he pursued an extensive biological weapons program and a nuclear weapons program, though no nuclear bomb was built. After the 1990-1991 Persian Gulf War, the United Nations located and destroyed large quantities of Iraqi chemical weapons and related equipment and materials throughout the early 1990s, with varying degrees of Iraqi cooperation and obstruction.  Wiki

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The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

#2 Photos are always good.

One of my fav's

NB-2 rocks: lots more buttons to push in rich text editor.

#3 The success was to be

The success was to be determined when we deposed Iraq and set up a stable government. We have set up the most stable government we can in Iraq short of placing a puppet and setting up a dictator to rule over Iraq. I have no problems in setting up puppet rulers in these backwater regimes.

I have come to the conclusion that Islam does not function well under a democratic society. What Islamic society is democratic in nature?

Nuke em til they glow; then shoot em in the dark

#4 Biden voted for the war

Does this idiot not remember voting for the war? Ann Sadaam made the whole world think he had WMD's. If some yells I have a bomb and is shot by the police before he can use it. It is not the police officers fault he lied so well.

#5 And, Shiftless Joe also said,

"This whole notion that the surge is working is fantasy." - Senator Joe Biden, November 28, 2007..

Yeah, Joe, it didn't work so you couldn't go to Baghdad and take your victory lap./sarc.

Charles Krauthammer said, "Barack Obama was a principled opponent of the Iraq war from its beginning. But when he became president in January 2009, he was handed a war that was won".  The Hammer also took the administration to task over their pathetic attempts at "diplomacy" after they took over. "Obama was left with but a single task: Negotiate a new status-of-forces agreement (SOFA) to reinforce these gains and create a strategic partnership with the Arab world’s only democracy.  He blew it".  The whole article is here.

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.

#6 Interesting

Wow, a snarky, sycophantic, drone asking the opinion of the stupidist man in DC. I really hope Joe runs in '16. The comedy will be priceless.

#7 Eight years ago Iran had no nukes.

Now they do.
Go figure.

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#8 These two demagogues..

and their sniveling, partisan rhetoric. Biden could have been a statesman (I know..stop laughing at the very idea) and said something like, "Well I think it's a good thing that Saddam Hussein isn't there anymore to threaten his neighbors or his own people, and I think there's certainly a better government there now than there was before". In other words, he could have cited some definite positives in the outcome that our troops achieved and sacrificed for. Instead, he gave a divisive, partisan answer that diminishes the positive things that came out of the war.

I'm not a big GWB supporter or apologist, and I'm not a big fan of the decision to go to war there - but this sort of partisan, after the fact, sniveling answer from Biden just makes my skin crawl. He's the 2nd highest ranking official in our government, he might consider at least putting on a pretense of statesmanship every so often.

When Curry asked him, in reference to Congress, "Has Obama done enough? Has he been effective in creating the personal relationships required to lead this country?", Biden's answer was a disingenuous dodge. Blaming it all on Republicans. Sorry Joe - but no sale. Even on MSNBC, aka MSDNC, you have the likes of Chris "Thrill" Matthews, Tina "Newsweak" Brown, and Jon "Obama's sort of God" Meacham, criticizing Obama's relationship with congressional DEMOCRATS. You've got Chris Matthews saying he knows from speaking with congressional Demos that they never even hear from him.

So it's quite a disingenuous dodge for Biden to blame Obama's lack of leadership and lack of relationship with Congress on Republicans, when it's become public knowledge that he lacks much of a relationship with congressmen of his own party..

Greggy (Diogenes)

#9 Iraq Liberation Act of 1998

In other words, he could have cited some definite positives in the outcome that our troops achieved and sacrificed for. Instead, he gave a divisive, partisan answer that diminishes the positive things that came out of the war.

Or he could have cited the Iraq liberation act which IS in the AUF Iraq

Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002,
Biden voted for the Iraq liberation act as did every Senator voted for in 1998!

#10 Bullseye..

great point.

Greggy (Diogenes)

#11 Biden - you died in vain. We did not win.

  • Biden agreed with Curry as he took a jab at the Bush administration: "We're not claiming victory.

Biden - deconstructed:

To the widows, widowers, parents and loved ones of those 4,500 who valiantly died and the thousands who were injured trying to find "the best way to build Iraq as a democracy," (quoting Bill Clinton - July 2003 - looking for all of us to support the effort), their deaths and their injuries are in vain.

(;~/ gary

#12 Yes..

You have put more bluntly and succinctly a central part of the point I was trying to make above. By failing to state that any positive outcomes were achieved in Iraq (ie: "victories"), Biden is not acknowledging that the efforts and sacrifices of our military achieved any worthwhile results. I draw much the same inference that you do in your deconstruction of his statement - that their sacrifices were in vain.

The more I think about it, the more disgusted I am with Biden's sniveling, un-statesmanlike answer.

The facts that he voted for the war, and that the prime objectives of the use of force authorization were apparently achieved, further increase my degree of disgust with Biden's lousy, sniveling answer.

Greggy (Diogenes)

#13 Is

curry trying to win an acadamy award with all her drama while asking the gaffe champion these stupid questions? She as usual, has no respect for the military and what they did getting rid of hussain and helping the people of Iraq acquire a government of the people. She has got to be, along with bieden, the most disrepectful persons alive!!! These were not kids fighting the war, jacka$$, they are Patriotic young and old American Heros!!!!!

#14 don't forget the yellowcake he had

guess the few tons of that (I forget exact measure) was just for eating huh....

#15 500 metric tons!!!

the Canadians took it once we moved it out of country

#16 thank you

I had not had a chance to check and that was bugging me, appreciate your posting it.

#17 didn't they

Have it legally?

#18 Biden is a

What we're claiming here is that we've done the job our administration set out to do, to end a war we did not start,

as Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he stated that Saddam Hussein was "a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security" and that United States has "no choice but to eliminate the threat".He also said, "I think Saddam either has to be separated from his weapons or taken out of power."
he subsequently voted in favor of authorizing war in Iraq

How forgetful a libtard is.

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#19 If Iraq had any WMDs

They should have used them to defend their nation.

#20 IfYyou Can't Deliver a WMD it is just a Faster Scutling Charge

The would have used the poison gas if they could have delivered it and survive.

#21 I know what you're saying

It was Saddam's al qaeda buddies who hid the uranium Iraq purchased from Niger.

#22 During Gulf War I, Colin

During Gulf War I, Colin Powell told the Iraq foreign minister that we would nuke Bagdad if they used any Chemical weapons. They didn't forget that threat in 2003.

#23 there were WMD

He used them against the Iranians and the Kurds - fully documented.

After we invaded we found artillary gas shells that still had traces of mustard and other stuff. Of course that was immediately thrown down the memory hole right along with the 500 tons of uranium we found.

#24 Ann Curry is either a liar or a total idiot

  1. WMDs were found in Iraq (sorry I can't find Free's awesome list anymore)
  2. WMDs were never cited by GWB as the reason for going in - it was to enforce the UN resolutions Iraq had been vilating

As for Joe Biden, if his IQ actually exceeds room temperature, I have yet to see evidence of it.

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

#25 I'm going to choose idiot.

I'm going to choose idiot. Ann Curry needs to interview celebrities. I honestly don't believe she has a clue about Iraq or anything that ever happened there, but it works for her on a show like Today that doesn't exactly appeal to informed people.

#26 It was "A" reason

"WMDs were never cited by GWB as the reason for going in - it was to enforce the UN resolutions Iraq had been vilating"

It was a reason, but by no means the only reason.

Interesting point about those UN resolutions....they were in place, in part, because of Iraq's WMD program, lol.


#27 Ann Curry and NBC: "Iraq Shall Rise Again"

Like the Southerners who denied the defeat of the south for decades Ann Curry is still pretending that George Bush did not take 550 TONS of Uranium yellow cake out of Iraq and two hundred Drums of poison gas agents and half a dozen weapon zed germs. They are hanging their credibility that none of these were deployed weapons but the difference between unassembled parts and a deployed weapon varies between technologies and can be very small.
As an example the poison gas was deployed in Iraq by loading a couple of drums in a helicopter with a crew in hazmat suits flying over the target and opening the valves on the chemical Drums. The Iraq government had the germs buried in the garden of the head of germ warfare. As the Bush administration pointed out they had purchased West German devices useful as Bioreactors. What hadn't been covered is that they had growth medium for germs equal to what their hospitals and Schools would need for two hundred years. The nuclear program needed maybe five dozen engineers and scientists. If they had built breeder reactors in deep mind shafts they could be working on their seven hundredth warhead today.

#28 The problem I always see and try to correct is this:

people think WMD are ONLY nukes, and nukes are actually a small percentage of the NBC WMD trilogy.
WMD's are a lot more than just nukes but media refuses to acknowledge that.

#29 out of curiosity

.......is there a current member of congress democrat or republican that said we found wmd's

#30 Hey shawn....

while I don't know of any current member that WILL say we found wmds, see Free Stinker's answer below.

-Jon

#31 Hi Jon

I have praised Freestinkers thread and i consider him one of my best buddies on NB

However, if not one republican in congress says we found WMD, people in this country and other countries are not going to declare we found them based on a impressive compilation on a conservative message board.

#32 Not one, but two, Shawn.

One of whom was, at the time, the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

"This says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

Even Wikileaks released stolen documents stating that WMD's were found in Iraq.

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.

#33 i believe i said current

But i will play. I remember that well. Too bad not many republicans in congress backed them up or President Bush,Donald Rumsfeld, and Condi who all said we did not find WMD. Your wiki leaks link does not anything except for a blogger saying we found WMD

From your own link

Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions."This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war

#34 Hi Shawn

The bottom line is, no warehouse with a huge sign in English saying "WMD" was found, and folks won't push a find of unmarked shells that contain Tabun. Most people don't even know what Tabun is.

#35 Nasty stuff

I didn't know about the tabun, knew about the others that were found, but that's some nasty stuff right there.  Only a person that's absolutely cold-blooded could use stuff like that, and Hussein was such a person.(his sons were no better, may they all rot in Hell)

-Jon

#36 How a bout a (D)?

Who's that girl?????????

Submitted by Tomorama on Fri, 12/02/2011 - 10:43am.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

...Ms VRWC herself!

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#37 great quote

Too bad it was before the invasion :-(

#38 shawn -- how about this . . . after the invasion

CNN LARRY KING LIVE Aired July 22, 2003

Bill Clinton - I think the main thing I want to say to you is, people can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks.. of biological and chemical weapons. [..] And what I think -- again, I would say the most important thing is we should focus on what's the best way to build Iraq as a democracy? [..]

We should be pulling for America on this. We should be pulling for the people of Iraq. We can have honest disagreements about where we go from here, and we have space now to discuss that in what I hope will be a nonpartisan and open way.

Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

“I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons... I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out."

And bringing up the rear, 2 1/2 years later, November 2005, Senator Carl Levin (D) of Michigan, Senate Intelligence Committee. On Hardball w/ Chris Matthews, no less:

- look there was plenty of evidence that Saddam had nuclear weapons, by the way. That is not in dispute. There is plenty of evidence of that.

OK - Levin is a goon - but moving on.

Time and time again, leading Democrats (including their beloved John Edwards) would come out and defend President Bush on the fact that he delivered a truthful message to the American people, and to the world, and often enough they offered their support of the effort and asked the American people and the world to stand behind it.

And, time and time again, the entire national media would wince, turn their backs, and continue to censor the striking statements from the past Democrat administration of Bill Clinton, including Clinton's,  which would have resulted in the country engaging in an intelligent and informed useful dialog.

Our MSM is opposed to debate.

(;~/ gary

#39 i'm not arguing

........if we thought we had them. Many democrats thought they had them too and did I

I am saying they did not have the stockpiles we were looking for and for now i think Currey might have a point when she ponders if this war was worth the terrible price we paid.

#40 When they said it, they were "current" members, Shawn.

Then there is this, from the same article, ""It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them". 

Then there is this, "The most interesting discovery has been a 152mm binary Sarin artillery projectile—containing a 40 percent concentration of Sarin—which insurgents attempted to use as an Improvised Explosive Device (IED). The existence of this binary weapon not only raises questions about the number of viable chemical weapons remaining in Iraq and raises the possibility that a larger number of binary, long-lasting chemical weapons still exist".  That was in 2004.

 


 

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.

#41 Shawn . Curry and the others lost their right to express

Shawn . Curry and the others (the entire MSM) lost their right to express their views.

In my mind, they lost this right because they never allowed,  an open and intellectual conversation to be held in front of the American people.

If they would have done that, for example, then following the critically important offerings-up of former President Bill Clinton, Sec. Cohen, and Sen. Edwards, in 2002-03 forward, we would have witnessed the national media quickly getting all of them (and others) on air, in the paper, etc., and introducing their views into the discussion. The American people - indeed, the world at large, would have seen that this was not a partisan ideological war; rather that we were a united front wanting to put an end to a mad-man's regime who had already caused perhaps 2 million human beings to perish, and had wrecked terror on human beings in many other ways.

We would have seen Curry and the other partisan haters, over the years, saying to the hate spewing Democrats and their pundits and to the national MSM,  when they were on air or being interviewed:

  • "Well, you say that Bush and Cheney lied, but Pres. Clinton, Sec. Cohen, and Sen. Edwards, and many others, have all come out repeatedly and defended them on the issues  of WMD's and the threat to the US and our allies and others in the region from Saddam. Are you also stating, that in your view, President Clinton, Sec. Cohen and Sen. Edwards and the others are lying, as well."

instead, what we got Shawn, was pure self serving partisan based censorship of the news.

In my view, this MSM, cost the lives of thousands of US forces and tens of thousands of Iraqis. The entire theater would have played out differently if the MSM had told the truth, uniting the American people and our allies, rather than seeking to undermine all.

(;~> gary

 

#42 i don't disagree Gary

The coverage has been terrible. I am just saying i do not believe the war is worth the price we paid

#43 Who cares?

The UN says we did. I used to have the link two computers ago, and had linked it here. I believe Free has the same linked below.

"I don't like repeat offenders, I like dead offenders". - Ted Nugent

#44 Good morning Restless

Long time no see. looks like Cowboys are back in the hunt :-)

Well i guess if you had it two computers ago and it was big news, it should be readily available now

#45 Good evening shawn

Rick Santorum. I see you are still beating that dead horse.

 

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#46 Good evening cocodrie

I believe i said " current" but don't let facts rob you of your gotcha moment ;-)

#47 Charles Grassley?

"I doubt if it's the tip of the iceberg but it does confirm what we've known ... that he [Saddam] had weapons of mass destruction that he used on his own people," Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, told Fox News. "This does show that the fear we had is very real. Now whether there is much more of this we don't know, Iraq is the size of the state of California."  From Fox News.

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.

#48 yes UWC

We all know he used WMD on his own people, i dont see where he says we found WMD after the invasion.

Edit

The Sarin gas incident only had small traces and most likely. Pre 1991. If there was more surely there would be more than one case of this reported.

#49 Really, Grassley is talking about what the U.S. found,

prior to the invasion?  If you read the article, Shawn, it plainly states at the top, it was written in 2004.

And, the benefit of the use of chemical weapons is that they don't need a lot to be lethal over a large area, especially in warm climates.  Who gives a rip if the sarin was pre-1991, or not, it was in a binary shell, that means it was not in a test tube, it was deployed militarily.  And, odds are, it wasn't put in the shell by one of AQI's goat lovers. 

Again, as others have pointed out, see Syria, see photos of trucks leaving weapons facilities prior to the beginning of the war. 

Anyway, you asked for "current" members of Congress.  I gave you two who were "current" members at the time of the finding, and one who is still a "current" member of Congress. 

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.

#50 reread the article Upnorth

You are right he was talking about the present. I apologize. I just disagree that the small traces that were found was worth going to war for. If they had lots of WMDs i believe they would have used them on our troops

If the small traces were a smoking gun President Bush and Vice President Cheney would have made more of a big deal.

#51 So, the voices of all the people who claimed he had them

were wrong? Including BJ Clinton? Cohen, Levin, Hillary, Kerry? Small traces? Is that like being a little bit pregnant? You either is or you ain't. No in between. And, has been pointed out to you, WMD's were not the only reason to take out Saddam.

How about waging aggressive war, twice?  Violation of the terms of the truce?  Use of WMD's, not only in war, but against his own people?  The sponsorship of terrorism?  Salman Pak? 

All of those were, indeed, good reasons for going to war against Saddam.  And, you've never heard of any administration using someone other than the President or VP to make their point?  See Debbie Watercan Shitz for a recent example.  Or Charley Rangel, or Van Jones or, never mind,  the list goes on, and on. 

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.

#52 Double

Double

#53 Sorry for the late reply Upnorth

Democrats and Republicans alike. Yes in this case there is a gray area. Traces of WMD that were there prior to 1991 is very different than even a real WMD prior to 1991. President Bush said one of his biggest regrets is false intelligence in Iraq.

"The biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq," Bush said. "A lot of people put their reputations on the line and said the weapons of mass destruction is a reason to remove Saddam Hussein."

President Bush is the person that was most responsible for the mission. If he said his biggest regret is false intelligence, then this is something I agree with him on, because he certainly has nothing to gain by admitting this mistake and it certainly does not help his legacy.

I also do not believe we would have built the coalition that we did without the fact that folks though the threat of WMD was imminent and I like i said I am not second guessing anybody, what is done is done, I do not believe it was worth the price.

#54 shawn

The weapons were found. Your horse is dead but don't let that stop you from your rediculous rides into inanity.

 

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

#55 I guess President Bush

And Donald Rumsfeld are wrong and cocodrie on NB is right. Who can argue your compelling facts ? :-)

#57 Ann - you make Magan McCain look smart!

We found plenty of WMD.  This is old news.

Cyclosarin

Mustard Gas

Sarin

Tabun

VX Gas

Uranium - This one is a riot.  The UN complaining that we moved Uranium out of Iraq without persmission.  I THOUGHT IRAQ DIDN'T HAVE ANY !

 

And Liberals, before you say "The Weapons were degraded", guess what?   The UN admited that the "old" WMD was not significantly degraded.

 

 http://newsbusters.org/forums/topic-discussion/invasion-iraq-still-right-thing-do#ixzz1fLHkXWQl

#58 Free Stinker . .

Yea, you know that's really not the point, may I suggest. See my last note to Shawn.

The action Bush took, can and should be judged on what we knew at the time (and it involved much more than the WMD issue) - not later - and how his administration and our military and our allies conducted that effort.

Unfortunately, a side point of mine, is that it was our national media which served to alter the course of how it might have played out had they - the media - been a non-partisan force in the room.

Gary

#59 Head Scarf

Isn't this the same person (Ann Curry) who, with her head scarf so prettily in place, interviewed Ahmadinejad and asked him how he managed to work so hard every day?

#60 Good Grief, is this harridan still reporting from Iraq?

I had hoped Iran would have invited her over to visit the Ayatollah and kept her.

#61 Harridan

A most excellent but under-utilized word!

#62 Ann is a joke!

ANN CURRY: How secure can Iraq really be when you, as a vice president, still must arrive under the cloak of darkness, under heavy security? How secure would Biden be in Washington D. C.? What's her point?

#63 But, but, but part #36578

So Obysmal and Bite me according to this "woman" are ending the war because something Bite me or Obysmal brokered?

I thought before Boooooooooooooosh left office he brokered this deal that they are abiding by?

I also remember that Obysmal wanted to keep troops there but was rebuffed?

Shit, I could do her job just based on using facts and the truth?

If you make poverty easy, you will have more of it. Benjamin Franklin

#64 Who's that girl?????????

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.

He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

If you make poverty easy, you will have more of it. Benjamin Franklin

#65 ...perfect

...the VRWC gal herself!
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The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne

#66 Halabja

I am so utterly sick and tired of people trying to say that Iraq under Hussein did not have WMD. Now, if you don't consider chemical weapons WMD I suppose, but I would venture to guess that the thousands who died in Halabja might disagree.

#67 Who gives a shiite!

Theyre both losers! Still stuck in 2003, are we?

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. BEN FRANKLIN

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